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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 186168 | ||
Hi Mark. You say. "I believe God is fair, and I likewise believe that none have merit. I think God intervenes in each of our lives, and we have a choice to make, whether to accept His intervention, or reject it". If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the "Human Race", is de vided into two groups, those who will accept, and those who won't, if this is the case, please explain. "Rom 3:11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God". And now "Election". 1Th 1:4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. Please explain for me the difference between "election by God", and "predestination by God", or could they both be the same. If the Lord our God has "Elected" an individual to be saved, how can you say that He has not also "Predestined" that same person to be saved? I agree that we are dealing with two different words, but surely both are part of the same process? Every blessing. Edwin. |
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2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186179 | ||
Hi Edwin, There is none who understands. God must do something so that people will understand. Now, some will say that this thing He does is to regenerate a person, to create them anew, and that this happens to those He has preselected, and the rest continue to not understand. I think that God does this to everyone, and that as each person, at some point in their life adequately understands that they have the option to receive or reject, if they recieve, then they are regenerated, or born again. None seek after God. God seeks after us. But I don't believe that God only seeks the preselected, but that He comes to each of us, desiring that each would be saved. Election is to be chosen by God. Predestination is to place limits or boundries in advance. Election is thought of by many as happening at an individual level, as God goes down the roster of humanity and circles certain names to be reborn. I think of election as when God chose Christ to be His Servant. All who are baptized into Christ are righteous as He is righteous, and chosen as He is chosen. I do not believe that God has preselected some for salvation and some for condemnation, but that God desires all men to be saved, but only saves those willing to be saved. I think Election is a benefit we receive in Christ with all other benefits we receive in Christ. The Bible never says we are predestined for salvation, nor does it say we are chosen for salvation. Being saved, we are among the elect, because we are in Christ, and we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 186277 | ||
Hi Mark. You say. "I believe God is fair, and I likewise believe that none have merit. I think God intervenes in each of our lives, and we have a choice to make, whether to accept His intervention, or reject it." When I said... "Tell me did Job fear God of his own free will, or as Satan said, because of what God had done for Job, when the Lord gave Satan permission to take away the blessing?" , and also,, "Do you mean to tell me that God said the above, knowing full well that it is an impossibility for any man to "turn from his ways and live?" Your reply was. "I agree entirely with these points you are making.". Then let me ask you a question.. Would you say that God's description of Job indicates that this man had "Merit", or not, and if not just what was it that Job had that God was referring to? You also said... "I think that God does this to everyone, and that as each person, at some point in their life adequately understands that they have the option to receive or reject, if they receive, then they are regenerated, or born again". Now if "God does this to everyone", then please explain. Jhn 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. and, Jhn 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” In light of... Jhn 6:37 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Jhn 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. Jhn 6:39 “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 1Cr 1:26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,* not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. Mat 7:14 “For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Jesus said,, "All that the Father gives me will come to me,," You have said,, "God does this to everyone".. Now this would mean that all people would come to Christ for salvation, and He said,,"and whoever comes to me I will never cast out"... Which would mean that the entire human race would be saved, whereas Scripture tells us,," and those who find it are few". It is possible that my understanding of these verses is incorrect, if so then please feel free to correct me. Bless you brother. Edwin. |
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