Subject: eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen |
Bible Note: Hi Mark. You say. "I believe God is fair, and I likewise believe that none have merit. I think God intervenes in each of our lives, and we have a choice to make, whether to accept His intervention, or reject it." When I said... "Tell me did Job fear God of his own free will, or as Satan said, because of what God had done for Job, when the Lord gave Satan permission to take away the blessing?" , and also,, "Do you mean to tell me that God said the above, knowing full well that it is an impossibility for any man to "turn from his ways and live?" Your reply was. "I agree entirely with these points you are making.". Then let me ask you a question.. Would you say that God's description of Job indicates that this man had "Merit", or not, and if not just what was it that Job had that God was referring to? You also said... "I think that God does this to everyone, and that as each person, at some point in their life adequately understands that they have the option to receive or reject, if they receive, then they are regenerated, or born again". Now if "God does this to everyone", then please explain. Jhn 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. and, Jhn 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” In light of... Jhn 6:37 “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Jhn 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. Jhn 6:39 “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 1Cr 1:26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,* not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. Mat 7:14 “For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Jesus said,, "All that the Father gives me will come to me,," You have said,, "God does this to everyone".. Now this would mean that all people would come to Christ for salvation, and He said,,"and whoever comes to me I will never cast out"... Which would mean that the entire human race would be saved, whereas Scripture tells us,," and those who find it are few". It is possible that my understanding of these verses is incorrect, if so then please feel free to correct me. Bless you brother. Edwin. |