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1 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45844 | ||
You wrote: "Joe my friend saying that the almighty God dwells in someone literally is inacurate. It is Gods word which should dwell in us." It is true that God's word should dwell in us, but every one of those verses I cited before specifically states that God's SPIRIT dwells in the believer. If you think I am wrong in my interpretation, please show all of us how we can interpret a statement like "Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you" to mean anything else than -- well -- that the Holy Spirit dwells in us! You wrote: "If we say that the Holy Spirit literally dwells in us then we would have to say that it also allows us to sin. And thats just not possible." Why is it not possible? When ANYONE (believer or non-believer) sins, it is because God allows him to. Everything happens because God causes it to happen or allows it to happen. Otherwise, God is either not omniscient or not omnipotent. The Holy Spirit is a "He," by the way, not an "it." The fact that believers in Christ are indwelt by the Spirit does not mean that we are always controlled by the Spirit. You quoted Solomon in saying that nothing can contain God. Yes, the finite cannot contain the infinite. I did not say that believers completely CONTAIN God the Holy Spirit. That is a completely different (and unbiblical) assertion from the (biblical) assertion that He dwells in the believer. Incidentally, how do you explain Jesus, if the infinite and finite cannot co-exist in the same person? Jesus is infinite in his divine nature, and yet he took on a finite body. We are not both infinite and finite in two different senses like Jesus Christ, but that example does show how the finite (us) and the infinite (the Holy Spirit) can be united. And the believer is united to the Holy Spirit in such a way that He dwells in us. I quoted nine specific verses from our Lord, Paul, and John, which explicitly state that the Holy Spirit dwells in, abides in, or lives in the believer. You will have to do some pretty fancy footwork to present a coherent case against that. --Joe! |
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2 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 45900 | ||
Well I guess I can't convience you that the Holy Spirit doesn't literally live in us. But if this true I just got one more question. Why do we have the inspired word of God if the Holy Spirit lives in us? It would seem to me that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all that is right thereby making the bible useless. John 14 25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 16 13However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. Tell me has the Holy Spirit taught you "all things" has He guided you "into all truth"? And you ask how do I explain Jesus. I don't but the bible says, Matthew 1 Christ Born of Mary (1) 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with CHILD OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Isaiah 7 14Therefore the Lord Himself will GIVE YOU A SIGN: Behold, THE VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. The last time I checked none of us including you were not born of a woman without the help of a man. Jesus was sent from God. The name Immanuel literally means God with us. Nobody can claim anything close to this today, not even the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. RAVEN |
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3 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45908 | ||
RAVEN: You wrote: "Well I guess I can't convience you that the Holy Spirit doesn't literally live in us." Well, you haven't convinced me because you have failed to address even once the Scripture I have cited. You wrote: "But if this true I just got one more question. Why do we have the inspired word of God if the Holy Spirit lives in us? It would seem to me that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all that is right thereby making the bible useless." We have the inspired word of God because He has chosen to operate through a written revelation He has provided us. The Spirit primarily works through the Scriptures to teach us. Both Scripture and the indwelling Spirit are infallible; and that is is one benefit that we have a written, external, infallible standard to reassure us when it is the infallible Spirit speaking to us and when it is our infallible selves. In any case, we have the word and the Spirit, both working in the sanctification of the believer. --Joe! |
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