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1 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | Tim Sheasby | 22660 | ||
1. Not every non-Christian I know considers drinking alcohol a sin. Paul does say, however, that if eating or drinking is going to be a problem then he will not do it (Romans 14:21). 2. The Bible clearly condemns and warns against drunkenness. If people drank alcohol according to biblical principles ther would not be any alcoholics. The man who first defined alcoholism as a disease said that it took years of abuse to produce an alcoholic. Never just one drink. In our congregation we have a man who is a "recovering alcoholic". He drinks alcoholic wine every week at the Lord's Table yet this does not send him off on another alcoholic binge. According to my biblical understanding alcoholism is a SIN and not a DISEASE. 3. If you have never drunk alcohol you may not understand this but I know my limit when drinking alcohol. I NEVER go beyond this limit and get drunk. One of my co-workers, not a Christian, commented to another of my coleagues "Tim drinks the way we all SHOULD drink". My example stands sound - an example of self control. Remember even Jesus was accused of drunkenness. He spoke of himself in Matt 11:18-19 "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon!' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds." Did Jesus drink Alcohol? Yes. Did he get drunk? I don't believe so but still people knew that he drank alcoholic wine. 4. I agree. I don't want to be associated with something connected with death or which breaks up homes. However, it is not the wine that does this but the ABUSE of wine. Along with the verses in scripture that speak of the evils of wine there are also verses that speak of the BLESSINGS of wine. For example a) in the OT Law the people were commanded to give offerings of wine (Lev 23:13; Num 15:5ff et al) which were a sweet aroma to the Lord. b) Is 25:6 The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. Is 55:1 "Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost." Joel 2:24 The threshing floors will be full of grain, And the vats will overflow with the new wine and oil." Joel 3:18 "And in that day The mountains will drip with sweet wine, And the hills will flow with milk, And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water; And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD To water the valley of Shittim.:" 5. Self control. Alcohol does not cause one to loose control -- ABUSE of alcohol does. I would be the first to condemn drunkenness. It is indeed an ugly and embarassing thing. There are times when I will not drink because of a weaker brother or sister but that does not mean I should never again drink what is a blessing from God. There is a danger of becoming Pharisaic about this. Jesus condemned the Phaarisees for binding their traditions on the people. Yet many of these traditions came about with the best intentions in the world. God drew a parameter -- in this case "don't get drunk". In order to protect ourselves we drew a smaller parameter -- "don't even touch the stuff". If that is what you choose to do then certainly that is your right but you cannot condemn someone for not having the same thinking. If it were a sin to drink alcohol then Jesus was a sinner -- an we know he was not. It is clearly a sin to get drunk -- that is what you must not do! In Christ The other Tim Tim Sheasby |
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2 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 22664 | ||
Greetings Tim! It is good to hear from you! Let me preface my comments by saying that by no means would I be dogmatic on this point! I'm not saying that my understanding is the only way. I simply layed out some of the thoughts I have had over the years as a pastor when I have had to deal with this issue. Having said that, let me address a couple of quick points. 1) Not every non-Christian thinks it is a sin for them to drink, but every non-Christian that I have asked thinks that it is a sin for a Christian to drink. This is obviously not binding upon our behavior, but it does make me consider the effect drinking will have on my testimony. 2) I fully agree that alcoholism is a sin! I only threw this point in to demonstrate that if it were true (which many believe) then telling someone it is okay to drink in moderation could be like giving them a loaded gun! 3) The rest of your comments basically deal with abuse of alcohol. You said: "If people drank alcohol according to biblical principles ther would not be any alcoholics." Here is my question: What are the Biblical principles? I know that Scripture says do not be drunk, but at what point is someone drunk? In my opinion, this is the fatal flaw of the view that allows drinking in moderation. Scripture never says one drink is okay but two is sin! So, at what point are we sinning? Is it different for every person? If so, how could it be fair of God to judge us on a sin that has no clear boundries? Again, these are simply my thoughts! I have never tried to force them on anyone. I have known Christians who drank moderately. When they asked me as their pastor, I gave them my opinion of what Scripture says and asked them to pray about it. Some changed their views and practice, while others did not. My personal opinion is that alcohol adds nothing to my life and is fraught with danger. Therefore, the best position for me is to simply abstain totally. I haven't touched a drop of alcohol in almost 20 years and I haven't missed it one bit! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | Tim Sheasby | 22668 | ||
I have no problem with your decision. I drink rarely and when I do I seldom drink more than 1 glass of wine or one other alcoholic beverage. I do find it relaxing but hate any feeling that I am loosing control so I am an extremely cautious drinker. I have never been drunk. I must say that I can sense when I am reaching my limit and I either stop totally or slow down considerably. Abstinence is a personal choice that any Christian is free to make. Tim Sheasby |
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4 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 22671 | ||
Greetings Tim! I agree! I have never tried to force my decision on anyone! The only reasons I even posted on this issue are: 1) As a pastor, I am very concerned with the effects of alcohol in our society. 2) I have always believed that there is a much stronger Biblical case for abstinence than most scholars admit. So, I just wanted to provide an alternative view! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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