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1 | Is asking for money false? | 2 John 1:10 | mark d seyler | 143702 | ||
NewCovenant7777, You have had much to say about "selling all", not being a part of the "mammon system", and many other terms that you do not define. I find for all your words there is little of substance that I understand you to be saying. Do you deny that Paul, and others which I think we would agree on the genuineness of their walk in Jesus, worked for a living, and in so doing, participated in the economy of the world? Do you suppose that, to sell his tents, Paul may have had to purchase tents? Believe me, I appreciate what you are saying towards our commitment to Christ. Certainly Jesus told some to sell all their possessions. But consider Zacchaeus, Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. 9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house. Salvation is come to this house. Before you add to this scripture, to tell us that Jesus would have later told Zacchaeus to "sell the other half", tell me where in the teachings of Paul, or Peter, or John, or Hebrews, etc. does the Bible teach us to follow this practice of selling our possessions? Certainly as God leads us individually. But to cast aspertions (sp?) with such a broad brush on the body of Christ, and such are of the ones you have been dialoging with, without either personal knowledge of their lives and walk, or actual scriptural backing to your statements, actively works against your message of, IF I understand you, the call to live holy, sacrifices lives. Jesus did not tell us all to sell our things. He does tell us all to deny ourselves, take up our cross daily, and follow Him. The "sell out" required is in the heart, when I have not held back anything from Him. Again, I could not agree with you more that we must be crucified with Christ. This is a condition of the heart, not the wallet. God tells me to Luke 16:9 "And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home. Luke 16:11 "Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? use the resources in this world, resources He has entrusted me with. If I follow a formula and not His leading in my life, how much blessing will I not receive for not being a part of His purposes? I would like to echo Brad's questions to you: At what church to you attend and fellowship? Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Is asking for money false? | 2 John 1:10 | NewCovenant7777 | 143751 | ||
When I say "you" in this, it isn't a personal attack. The "you" I am speaking to is the "majority(the left and right)". Greetings Mark, with all due "respect you are rationalizing your way" to destruction. To assert Jesus never told anyone to "sell all" is not only incorrect it demonstrates that you indeed have eyes, but don't see,... and ears, but don't hear. You are calling good evil and evil good. You are guilty of the same thing the wicked servant was in Matt 25, you are calling The True God/Truth a "Hard God" because He doesn't sow or reap in your rebellion. You are not rejecting what I am saying, which is the Word of God, but you are rejecting HIM. If you think for a moment that the The Faithful through out Scripture lived as Aliens and suffered much persecution to the point of death was just a "Phase of Christianity" you are "self deceived". If you, and other "professing christians" think you can say a prayer and live a comfortable life and praise and worship Jesus then I have nothing else to say, other than...REPENT OR PERISH!!! (Do you suppose that, to sell his tents, Paul may have had to purchase tents?) You truly are blind...sigh... You "profess to be wise..." Was Paul a part of His Culture??? Did he blend in as American Christians do? This is the point! Paul suffered 40 minus 1 lashes 5 times, was stoned...He suffered for the truth, and did it with joy, by the way...Do you??? Why not? Did Jesus not say that a student is not above His Master, and if they hated HIM, they would hate His True Disciples??? Are you hated??? And please don't say, "well we don't suffer because we have freedom of religion"...this is the problem!!! Every nation has drunk of the cup of wickedness (Rev 18:3) and the USA is Babylon and will suffer her end very soon!!! Before you laugh and mock, please read Rev 17 and 18...and stop making Jesus out to be Mr. Rogers, Mother Teresa, and Santa Claus all rolled into One!!! The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob "still" executes His Judgment and has never ceased. There wasn't/isn't an "Old Testament a New Testament Personality of God". God is not Schizophrenic!!! Do you think the Idolaters knew what or who was executing "so called natural disasters/acts of mother nature" back then? NO, and just as Idolaters were blind to God's coming judgment in the Days of Noah, so are they today. It causes me great concern you "seem" to be so blind. By the way, the Son of Man will return as in the Days of Noah, and please read Matt 10 and see that the Faithful b4 He returns will be delivered unto death. Sooooooooo explain to me why American Christians aren't suffering this way?????? (If I follow a formula and not His leading in my life, how much blessing will I not receive for not being a part of His purposes?) ***If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I have no Idea what is...LOL... Mark, How did Jesus live? He said if you don't live the same life, YOU CAN'T BE HIS DISCIPLE...I am not following a formula, CHRIST LIVES HIS LIFE THROUGH ME AS HE DID THE FAITHFUL IN SCRIPTURE...I dont pattern myself off anyone(not looking to the left or right). I have simply sold all and Christ, Who is the Word of God, lives the Word of God through my crucified soul...Get it??? It takes no effort on my part(burden-light/yoke-easy)...I have entered His Sabbath Rest/Crucified...Welcome to True Christianity. You are the one living by the standards of the world and the apostate church, so dont tell me about following a formula. You are playing it safe and going with the majority, need I remind you "many" are called, but "few" are chosen...Christ has shared His Truth through me and "apparently and up to now" you have rejected it. I have nothing else to say...shaking off the dust... "If and when" you come to your senses, let me know...otherwise...I have nothing else to say. Am I not loving you by telling you the truth? Yet, you will call me a "hard man and a lone-ranger". Sigh...Is it wrong 4 me to be filled with sorrow upon sorrow due to fact the blind and dead walk the streets and the smell of death is everywhere??? I am not living "some new way of Christian Living", Christ is living the "Foundational Life of Christianity" literally through me...is this heresy? or is the "rationalizing God is doing a new thing", heresy? Don't add or subtract!!! ***I am sending Scriptures that speak of selling all and living as Jesus did, which are one in the same. Crucified in HIM, Luis |
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3 | Is asking for money false? | 2 John 1:10 | mark d seyler | 143758 | ||
Luis, My difficulties in discussing these things with you are these: You claim that this is not you speaking, but rather Christ speaking through you, yet you mis-quote me (I did not say Jesus never said "sell all", I said He did not say it to everyone), and misquote the Bible (Jesus slain from 'before' ? the foundation of the world - my Bible says from) - are these the words of Christ? You make the claim that the USA is Babylon - but where is this in scripture. I believe that what the Bible says is what it means, and Babylon is Babylon. If this is the statement Christ wanted to make (if He speaks through you) why did He not make it in scripture? Are you, or are you not, saying to me personally "You are calling good evil and evil good. You are guilty of the same thing the wicked servant was in Matt 25, you are calling The True God/Truth a "Hard God" because He doesn't sow or reap in your rebellion" You give a disclaimer at the beginning that this is not directed personally to me, yet your writting seems to belie this. So I am confused. The point is, you don't know me. Nothing I have written is contradictory to the Bible. I challenge you to peruse my profile and past posts, written about many subjects, to gain a greater understanting of who I am, before you judge me. All that I have, and all that I am, is the Lord's. My works, though you do not see them, show this. Have I given you any indication that I "blend in" with my culture", that I compromise my faith? But we do live on the earth. Paul taught that we should not seek to change our station in life, but rather to use it towards God's kingdom. The one whom you mention that was punished by the Lord he had called "a hard man", was punished for failing to use the money God had entrusted him with! He expected to receive it back with more. This is not that I advocate playing the market, but we must follow and obey as God leads us. I work for a living, and pay rent for a roof. I give sacrificially, and God takes care of my needs. My time is a more valuable asset, and I give of that even more. My faith in the faithfulness of Christ is my sabbath rest. God requires us to live dead to the flesh, and alive to Christ. Risen with His resurrection, we walk in the newness of life. These are very plain truths, expressed plainly in the scripture. We need not add to them, or confuse them by esoteric terminology. Not everyone is called to be an apostle. Not all are called to be pastors, nor is the entire body an eye. Some of us are called to bless our employers and be faithful to work, to tithe to our church, to provide for our wives, to give to the poor, to let Jesus' light shine through us in the supermarket line. "Judge not, lest you be judged." Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Is asking for money false? | 2 John 1:10 | BradK | 143763 | ||
Mark, For what it's worth, consider the source! You're good by me, brother! To repeat myself, we have a case here of someone who thinks they're leading, yet no one is following! In other words, they're just taking a long walk. Just remember, when someone points their finger at you, they have 3 pointed directly back at them! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Is asking for money false? | 2 John 1:10 | mark d seyler | 143767 | ||
Thank you Brad! I personally think that I was just the lightening rod for the strike that was going to come anyway to someone. Really I just feel like "What was that?????" I fellowship at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA. As a church, we have been used by the Lord to plant over 1400 churches, in nearly every country of the world. We have sent out hundreds of missionaries, have established several Bible Colleges including Russia and Romania, and our newest will also include an orphanage in Brazil. We have established an international radio network (CSN) with not only our church's teaching, but other churches as well. We have active home fellowships, probibly 25 weekly large group Bible studies, and many small discipleship, fellowship, and prayer groups. We give clothing to the forest fire victims, and turkeys to the poor at thanksgiving and Christmas. We are sending a team to provide finacial and physical assistance to the tsunami victims. We established "For Zion's Sake" at Calvary Chapel Jerusalem, supplying the material needs of ingathered Jews. We have sent, with our own couriers, literally hundreds of thousands of Bibles into China. Our internet resources are access by millions, including books on doctine, commentary, and our Pastor Chuck's sermons for the past 12 years of verse by verse teaching, and without cost. Of course, I say "we", but I really mean He! Praise Him!!! It is the LORD Who has done this through us, all bought with money, with the world's money, using the world's internet, and the world's radios, and so on. We go to work and we go to church and we do our best and that seems like very little, but God is incredible, going so far beyond our dreams! I rejoice in the way our Lord redeems us, and not only us, but what we had previously squandered on our own pleasures, now He uses it (our resources) to His glory, and then gives us eternal reward! Thank you for your kind words, and your encouragement, as others also have been encouraging to me. And especially, thank you for your lucid and meaningful posts! ;-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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