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1 | He does not wish for any to perish... | 2 Pet 3:9 | Radioman2 | 76752 | ||
2 Peter 3:9 (NET Bible) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any[4] to perish but for all to come to repentance. Footnote 4. "He does not wish for any to perish." '...the literary context seems to be against the Arminian view, while the historical context seems to be against (one representation of) the Calvinist view. The answer to this conundrum is found in the term "wish" (a participle in Greek from the verb boulomai). It often represents a mere wish, or one's desiderative will, rather than one's resolve. Unless God's will is viewed on the two planes of his desiderative and decretive will (what he desires and what he decrees), hopeless confusion will result. The scriptures amply illustrate both that God sometimes decrees things that he does not desire and desires things that he does not decree. It is not that his will can be thwarted, nor that he has limited his sovereignty. But the mystery of God's dealings with humanity is best seen if this tension is preserved. Otherwise, either God will be perceived as good but impotent or as a sovereign taskmaster. Here the idea that God does not wish for any to perish speaks only of God's desiderative will, without comment on his decretive will.' (http://www.bible.org/cgi-bin/netbible.pl#note_3) * * * * * * * * * * * * * (Although this post is not a question, I have chosen to post it under the heading of Questions for this reason: Often a person will not respond to a Note unless it is addressed specifically to that person. However, the same person may respond to a post that is labeled as a Question. In other words, I posted this as a question in hopes that it will not be ignored or overlooked.) Radioman2 |
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2 | He does not wish for any to perish... | 2 Pet 3:9 | Radioman2 | 81432 | ||
[The following is generally addressed to all of us. It is addressed to whomever the shoe fits.] I am truly amazed that my comment could spark such a heated debate. Especially when I started this thread with the words, "the literary context seems to be against the Arminian view, while the historical context seems to be against (one representation of) the Calvinist view." After my post, apparently all it took to get the debate going was the admonition not to do so, i.e. "DON'T debate Arminian / Calvinist views ...", which is actually good advice. Having said that, I offer the following tongue-in-cheek rhyme in an attempt to provide a little comic relief to the raging debates that threaten to consume us all. (NOTE: This rhyme is not meant to be taken seriously. It is not intended as a rebuke to any individual or faction. It does not address who is right and who is wrong in the C/A controversy.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - I Find It Such A Strange Thing I find it such a strange thing - mystifying That a group like this could waste its time On striving of this kind. Yes, I can understand that it amuses But to fuss and argue and let it bug you Is hardly in your line. It's not that I object to your contentions But it doesn't fit in well With what we do and say. It doesn't help us if the forum's inconsistent; "They" only need a small excuse to put us all away. --Radioman2 |
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3 | He does not wish for any to perish... | 2 Pet 3:9 | Reformer Joe | 81435 | ||
Radioman2: I believe it was my tongue-in-cheek suggestion that everyone should wear their theology on their user ID that got everyone in such a tizzy. You try and take credit for EVERYTHING! :) So what does the rest of the Forum think? Did Radioman2 provide the post which started the silliness or did I? Please back up your answer with Scripture... --Joe! (that's REFORMER Joe to you) |
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4 | He does not wish for any to perish... | 2 Pet 3:9 | Radioman2 | 81437 | ||
Joe: You ask: "Did Radioman2 provide the post which started the silliness or did I?" I adhere to the motto "Give credit where credit is due." Obviously, Joe, it was you who started the silliness. (I'll have to owe you the scriptural support for my answer.) Signed, A completely unbiased and impartial observer |
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5 | He does not wish for any to perish... | 2 Pet 3:9 | Reformer Joe | 81448 | ||
"Obviously, Joe, it was you who started the silliness." Thanks. It may seem like it comes naturally, but I have to work at it pretty religiously to make it appear so seamless. --Joe! |
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