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1 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138748 | ||
Hi, Searcher! I really lost you on this one... you are either confirming my statement that Salvation is for all regardless of sex (male/female) and regardless of age (infant-child/adult): "God has the Power, Authority, and Mercy to rescue us from death is clearly written in the Holy Scripture. Also, if you try to add to Scripture, there is great danger (Rev 22:18)." ...or you are contradicting yourself (see above) by suggesting that Biblical strictness forbids the Salvation of some because they are intellectually limited by their age (infants-children)! I do not add to Scripture! But rather than go with the flavor-of-the-day religion, I allow God to be the determining factor of my Faith! (Just as an example: we find Scripture that speaks on the Believers pooling their resources and distributing the resources equally amongs all (Acts 2:44-45)... Yet, I've not heard of a single Biblical passage that commands Believers to amass wealth and to trickle down economy to their brothers in the Faith!... to strictly obsever Scripture, all affluent Christians must bring to their congregation their wealth and distribute it equally among its members!... but we know from Scripture that not everyone who claims to be Christian is in fellowship with Christ... so it could be very understandable that some would bleed their "brothers" without regards for the edification of the Chruch (which should be the farmost factor--aside from our relationship with God--for all Christians, affluent and impoverished). To believe that God does not Save infants-children because it is not found in the Bible, would be to deny God the Authority to do anything that is not written down in Biblical Text! I wonder how Peter, Paul and the rest managed since the Bible was not a source readily aviable to them (Old Testament text belonged, almost exclusively, to religious elite who had access to the Holy Scrolls... and the New Testament had not been compiled, and placed along with the Old Testament writings, during the lifetime of the Apostles.) You cannot abound in God while limiting others with your brand of salvation--Jesus gave us all the right to be sons of God, John 1:12; through strict observance of Scripture this verse impedes all females from claiming that they are dauthers of God--either they are interpreting according to your esegesis theory or they must become male in order to adhere to the exactness of Scripture!... yet, if they allow God to instruct them, they will know that no partial knowledge or partial prophecy can replace God's Authority and Wisdom! It is He who calls us all in Jesus... where we are no longer Jews or Greeks, no longer male and female! (Galatians 3:28) Of course, we can continue to read individual passages of Scripture and build our theology based on man's understanding of a (a few) Scritural verses! We cannot dictate to God how He should apply His Authority and Mercy! ...since you are sticking to your strictness of Scripture, can you please clarify the mystery found in 1 Corinthians 13:9--since you are implying that we know God completely and that Paul is referring to something other than God... who or what is it that we know in part but that it is not God? And please also explain what is the partial prophecy, also found in 1 Corinthians 13:9? And please, please explain what perfection is Paul speaking on in 1 Corinthians 13:10? And please, please, please explain this mystery of knowing in part and later knowing as we are known (1 Corinthians 13:12)... I am not being rude... I simply link Scripture together with Scripture and do not find vacuousness in these verses... we know partially because we are not the spiritual beings which we will become in Jesus Christ... we are known fully by God and He will grant us that familiarity with Him when we become the new creatures as we are changed in Christ! You are concerned with exegesis and eisegesis... when you make claims as to infants-children not experiencing Salvation... from which Scriptural passage are you reading, which Gospel, which Epistle, which Commandment? God Bless! Angel |
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2 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138896 | ||
Angel ... I hope this clears up things ......... You said above, "I do not add to Scripture!" But, previously your said, "Additionally, since Paul tells us that as of yet we know GOD only partially (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)" ... emphasis mine. However, the passage doesn't include God. I consider that adding to Scripture. My view on Babies Who Die is found in post 138120. I do not know how God deals with babies and others who die without accepting Him. The perfect, teleios in the Greek, in verse 10 is a neuter noun with a definite article ... it is not coming of a person and His return is not a completed thing in Scripture. Some say this means when the NT was complete, others say the church ... but, I do not know. For more, read post 17815 by Tim. Partial prophecy and knowledge is becuase we don't all the information. If the perfect is the Bible, when Revelation was written, then prophecy and knowledge complete. It is dangerous to link Scripture together with Scripture, if doen out of context ... and I am not saying that you do. Searcher |
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3 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138958 | ||
Hi, Searcher! I begin to understand your expression! By such definition ("However, the passage doesn't include God. I consider that adding to Scripture.") you are absolutely correct! However, I cannot see Paul or any of the Apostles concerning themselves with gaining full knowledge of the world and its workings, or of some secret codes (special Scripture keys) that would reveal to them how to achieve greater wealth, power, control... I believe that their main concern was being in Christ; hence, they would strive to be in perfection: in the full knowledge of God... As Paul said: "to live is Christ!" (Philippians 1:21) So I cannot see him (Paul) aspiring for any other fulfillment than to know God in completeness--not in the partial and clouded manner which he had known God! Still, I respect your belief--though I pray that we all aspire to know God as Paul did, instead of just limiting His Design! "when Revelation was written, then prophecy and knowledge complete." Yet, we know that though the book of Revelation is complete as far as the offering of written revelations, we still need the Holy Spirit to do the actual interpretation and further refinement of the revealed matter... so the Bible in itself is not complete! It is not lacking further revelations (new information/prophecies)... so in that sence it is perfected; yet, the written revelations cannot be resolved by man except through the Divine assistance of the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:20-21) "It is dangerous to link Scripture" You are right, there is a danger to linking Scripture... but I suggest to you that it is not so much the linking of Scripture to Scripture as it is the linking of Scripture to personal/congregational interpretation... Whe can link Jesus' title of the Good Shepherd to the Old Testament... there is even a precise text where God promises that He will become Israel's Shepherd, that He will do away with the shepherds that have taken advantage of and mistreated the flock! (Ezekiel 34:8-16--pay close attention to verses 11 and 12) Clearly, there is no danger with this link since God is revealing Himself as the Good Shepher (please don't jump out of your seat, I know that there is no textual expression of "Good Shepherd!" But follow the language and the promise--evil/bad shepherds removed; excellent/just shepherd as the new keeper of the flock... do you see it?) that will come to gather and care for the whole flock--Jesus fulfills this promise! Now, when Jesus speaks of sheep of another fold that will become one with the fold He is shepherding (John 10:16)... there is no other link but Paul's revelation that Jesus made of the two people one (Ephesians 2:11-22); there are some who have built a whole religious culture on the distorted interpretation of John 10:16--to me this is a clear example of extra-Biblical application of Scripture! Yet, even this particular distortion of Scripture may have part in God's Design... so I will not readily condemn these people... as Jude testefied to the Archangel's words (Jude 1:9), I too can only say: "May the Lord rebuke them!" I appreciate your concern and your input. God Bless! Angel |
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4 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138984 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Cor 13:10, 2 Pet 1:16-21, 2 Tim 3:16, 1 Jhn 1:1-3 ... Angel, When I said ... "when Revelation was written, then prophecy and knowledge complete" ... it was one of two choices for about prefect (1 Cor 13:10). You said ... "Yet, we know that though the book of Revelation is complete as far as the offering of written revelations, we still need the Holy Spirit to do the actual interpretation and further refinement of the revealed matter... SO THE BIBLE ITSELF IS NOT COMPLETE! It is not lacking further revelations (new information/prophecies)... so in that sence it is perfected; yet, the written revelations cannot be resolved by man except through the Divine assistance of the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:20-21) emphasis mine.. Why do you say, “the Bible in itself is not complete”? What do we need to add to the Bible? Is what we add inspired or just interpreted? When looking at this passage, I would start in verse 16, where we read we (Paul and others) did not follow cleverly devised tales. Then in verse 19 they had the prophetic word made more sure … they took the OT prophetic word and saw it proven (vv 16b-18) and now were telling what saw and heard (1 John 1:1-3). So I see verses 20-21 as saying the OT prophecy of Scripture is inspired. The NT is inspired, too (2 Tim 3:16). Searcher |
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5 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 139058 | ||
Hi, Searcher! Have you read the Bible in its entirety? Do you think you know God's Design from reading it? During which stage of Creation were the angels created? When precisely did Lucifer turn 1/3 of the angels against God? When are we to meet Jesus? When are we to change from the carnal body into the spiritual?... the Bible contains general information about all of these topics, yet we are not given the precise information to conclusively state "it happened exactly..." Salvation is granted to us as a Gift; Jesus purchased us at a price... yet how and who is purchased is not revealed to the complete knowledge of God--we are given the necessary working-information so that we might be able to understand God's Gift as it pertains to part of His Design: our repentance, obedience and abiding in God... yet for us to contend that we know God's depths (who He is and how He does everything) would only be to deceive ourselves, for what man knows the mind of God that he should instruct Him! (1 Corinthian 2:16) When we realize that all of our collective knowledge (humanity's) only begins to scratch God's surface (and that because He allows us that much); we may begin to humble ourselves and begin our spiritual growth! "What do we need to add to the Bible?" It is the Holy Spirit that completes all revelation! If we simply read the text of the Bible and jump into one of hundreds/thousands of interpretations we are not searching and preaching the Truth, we are seeking adulation from humanity! Christ tells us that He is the Resurrection and Life and that those who come to Him will Live; yet to come to Him we must be born of the Holy Spirit! The text of the Bible does not complete Salvation--in this the Bible is not complete! It is the Holy Spirit who completes, in us, Jesus' Sacrifice... for anyone to claim that Salvation is a matter of text and not of the Holy Spirit, it would be the same as claiming to be saved by our own powers: "Just grab a formula or two and your in!" There are people offering formulas for Salvation--this is done all over town, everywhere... they offer these formulas (made by human minds and hands) as guarantors of Eternal Salvation... Never mind that Jesus calls us to repentence, baptism and fellowship! One of these formulas demands that for all to be saved they must know Jesus--that outside of this formula there is no salvation! This of course diminishes God's Power and Mercy as infants and the mentally handicapped may die well before being able to "know" Jesus--there's not a single once of mercy that can be found in this formula, yet many claim that it is Scripturally sound! The purport that only those who can know Jesus and learn to preach, perform miracles, speak in tongues... are to be saved! Yet, Jesus Himself tells us that not all who call Him Lord will enter into Heaven but those who do the Will of His Father--Jesus even offers an admonishion that cripples that brand of salvation (Matthew 7:21-27; Luke 6:46)... The Bible, as excellent as it is, does not replace God nor the fullness of God! When we exact salvation on our own "enlightened" understanding of Scripture and we remove the Holy Spirit from the actual rebirth (corporeal into spiritual) we are shortchanging God's Design! We are limiting by strictness of the text what the Holy Spirit does: Salvation is not a matter of codes and formulas, Salvation is a matter of God's Holy Spirit cleansing and resurrecting us into the Body (not the temporal body) of Christ! By following the letter of the text the masters of the law failed to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, we do not better when we seek to know and limit God in our finite wisdom! The Bible contains all that God chose to reveal--in that the Bible is complete. The text of the Bible is not God nor God's fullness--in that the Bible is incomplete. The Paraclete, who Christ promised to send to us, brings us closer to God--as close as our limited understanding and spiritual standing can get; yet we know only partially, then we will know as we are known (1 Corinthians 13:12)... of course we can twist Scripture and we can claim that we know all that there is to know about God because we read Scripture... or we can humble ourselves and accept that the finite cannot absorb the completeness of the infinite! Salvation is Granted through the Holy Spirit (Hebrew 9:14); the Holy Spirit has no limits! God Bless! Angel |
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6 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 139082 | ||
Have you read the Bible in its entirety? Yes Do you think you know God's Design from reading it? Yes During which stage of Creation were the angels created? When precisely did Lucifer turn 1/3 of the angels against God? When are we to meet Jesus? When are we to change from the carnal body into the spiritual?... the Bible contains general information about all of these topics, yet we are not given the precise information to conclusively state "it happened exactly..." ... I am satisfied with not knowing this information. The Bible is complete. By saying "it is the Holy Spirit that completes all revelation" ... is dangerous because cult leaders say the same. As I study the Bible, I rather not look at the "experts" to see what they say. I do look later, and if I disagree, I question them. The Holy Spirit does give me insight, BUT ... I am not adding to Scripture ... it is only the meaning. |
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7 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Mommapbs | 139096 | ||
Greetings Searcher - do see Hank's post: 139060 You asked, "When are we to change from the carnal body into the spiritual?" Have we not been changed if indeed we are IN Christ? See Ezekiel 36:26; 2 Cor 5:17 Our restoration will be complete upon the death of our physical bodies, but we are ALIVE, no longer dead unto God as a result of our union with Christ - Christ in me, the hope of glory! Col 1:27 This is a reality oft overlooked by modern "believers!" It is the Spirit of the risen Christ who desires to guide us daily, but if we persisit in living from our flesh,(even when reading the Scriptures)relying upon our human wisdom and abilities,(Luke 11:35) we will stumble around in the dark. mommapbs |
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8 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Ray | 139966 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, Your thoughts here led me to compare your verses and others. We don't want to be stumbling around in the dark; we want to walk in Him. 1 Peter 2:21, "For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in (His) steps." Colossians 2:6, "As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in (Him)." Ezekiel 36:27, And I will put My (s)Spirit within you and cause you to walk in (My) statutes,..." From the heart, Ray |
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9 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Mommapbs | 139967 | ||
Thanks for this Ray! When we walk IN Him, do you think we are more aware of the dark in contrast? Blessings, mommapbs |
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10 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Ray | 139987 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, Your question is one that I have not thought about; and I get uncomfortable when I have to think. I have led a rather "sheltered" life and especially in my retirement I am not in my personal world witnessing for Him. So, in other words, I don't feel the powers of darkness getting worried about me and my witness and daily walk with Him. So in that sense I am not aware of the darkness; perhaps I would be more aware if I were more of a witness. Did you have something like that in mind? 1) I do believe that when one walks in Him and in His statutes and in His light, that little sins are regarded as big sins. One sees the contrast between good and evil more easily; wanting to make the gray areas of life even lighter. We know that we are not to sin. 1 John 2 comes to mind. 1 John 2:4, "The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God is perfected. By this we know that we are in Him; 6 the one who abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as (He) walked." 2) 1 John 2:3, "And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 11:9, "Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the Light of this world." The darkness should be passing away according to verse 8 for the true Light is already shining. 1 John 2:10, "The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause of stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes." 3) 1 John 2:14, "...I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of (God) abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one." John 8:12, "Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the (Light) of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the Light of life." The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God abides forever. 1 John 2:17. 4) The darkness is passing away, and the world is passing away, because we think of the things of the Spirit. Do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:5, "For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the (Spirit)." We belong to (Him), through His (Spirit) who indwells you, and are regarded as children of (God). That is how I have Romans 8 penciled in; looking at the law of the (Spirit)--of life in Christ Jesus. I hope it is helpful and meaningful to you as well. The parentheses are of course mine for comparison. From the heart, Ray |
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11 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Mommapbs | 140007 | ||
Greetings Ray - you witness here Ray! Thanks for your reply - number one basically address the subject well for me! Blessinga, mommapbs |
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