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1 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Lisa G | 138503 | ||
Where is the scripture that makes reference as Jesus appearing to those who died before his death to give them the opportunity to receive him? I remember reading it in the bible not long ago and I am unable to find it now. Based on that scripture, I believe (or hope) those who have died before hearing about Jesus, including babies, may have the opportunity to receive Him before judgement. Any thoughts? |
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2 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138504 | ||
Hi, Lisa G! 1 Peter 3:18-20 further explains 1 Peter 4:6... Jesus Himself tells us that the dead will hear His voice and that those that hear (listen/believe), will have Life! With the millions of babies being killed by abortionists and their corrupt doctors, I am sure that the Holy Spirit visits each and every babe to teach him/her about Jesus (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; Romans 8:26-27)... some would argue that babes cannot know Christ because they are not cognizant of the world, let alone the Gospel... yet the contrary is quite factual: babes recognize their Mom's voice, their father's and close relations even from the womb... and when the womb is assaulted babes retract, seeking refuge from the intruder's murderous tools! Not only that, but it is Biblical that even babes in their Mom's wombs can receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:36-44)... true, this was a very special situation (the Lord's precursor was being visited by the Lord Himself!)... but the fact remains that it was through the Holy Spirit that Jesus, barely deposited in His Mom's womb reached out to John the Baptist, only six months into his Mom's pregnancy... further, Elizabeth herself recognizes that Mary is the Mother of he Lord--this even before a word is said to her by Mary! It is God who ultimately decides who goes to Heaven and who does not (Matthew 7:21-23)... to God all life is precious and just as He stepped in when Israel's shepherds deserted their commission, I am sure that He steps in whenever a single babe's life is robbed from him/her! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138526 | ||
Angel ... How do you handle Hebrews 9:27? I believe that Jesus preached to those who are NOW dead, when they were alive, in both paasges in Peter. Otherwise should we pray for the dead ... even if it it just those before Christ? John 14:26 is not about babies, but the disciples ... "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." ... check out the context. Neither are 1 Corinthians 2:10-13 or Romans 8:26-27. Searcher |
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4 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138582 | ||
Hi, Searcher!... | ||||||
5 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138632 | ||
Exegesis vs Eisegesis ....................... Not seeking to prove the Bible is what is needed ... that is exegesis, where we let the Bible interpet itself. Eisegesis is where we force the Bible to say what we God to say. To apply the strictness of Biblical text to salvation and everything is needed. God has the Power, Authority, and Mercy to rescue us from death is clearly written in the Holy Scripture. Also, if you try to add to Scripture, there is great danger (Rev 22:18). 1 Corinthians 13:9 says "For we know in part" ... it does not say "For we know God in part". Don't force the Scripture ... and God to appear different. Searcher |
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6 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138748 | ||
Hi, Searcher! I really lost you on this one... you are either confirming my statement that Salvation is for all regardless of sex (male/female) and regardless of age (infant-child/adult): "God has the Power, Authority, and Mercy to rescue us from death is clearly written in the Holy Scripture. Also, if you try to add to Scripture, there is great danger (Rev 22:18)." ...or you are contradicting yourself (see above) by suggesting that Biblical strictness forbids the Salvation of some because they are intellectually limited by their age (infants-children)! I do not add to Scripture! But rather than go with the flavor-of-the-day religion, I allow God to be the determining factor of my Faith! (Just as an example: we find Scripture that speaks on the Believers pooling their resources and distributing the resources equally amongs all (Acts 2:44-45)... Yet, I've not heard of a single Biblical passage that commands Believers to amass wealth and to trickle down economy to their brothers in the Faith!... to strictly obsever Scripture, all affluent Christians must bring to their congregation their wealth and distribute it equally among its members!... but we know from Scripture that not everyone who claims to be Christian is in fellowship with Christ... so it could be very understandable that some would bleed their "brothers" without regards for the edification of the Chruch (which should be the farmost factor--aside from our relationship with God--for all Christians, affluent and impoverished). To believe that God does not Save infants-children because it is not found in the Bible, would be to deny God the Authority to do anything that is not written down in Biblical Text! I wonder how Peter, Paul and the rest managed since the Bible was not a source readily aviable to them (Old Testament text belonged, almost exclusively, to religious elite who had access to the Holy Scrolls... and the New Testament had not been compiled, and placed along with the Old Testament writings, during the lifetime of the Apostles.) You cannot abound in God while limiting others with your brand of salvation--Jesus gave us all the right to be sons of God, John 1:12; through strict observance of Scripture this verse impedes all females from claiming that they are dauthers of God--either they are interpreting according to your esegesis theory or they must become male in order to adhere to the exactness of Scripture!... yet, if they allow God to instruct them, they will know that no partial knowledge or partial prophecy can replace God's Authority and Wisdom! It is He who calls us all in Jesus... where we are no longer Jews or Greeks, no longer male and female! (Galatians 3:28) Of course, we can continue to read individual passages of Scripture and build our theology based on man's understanding of a (a few) Scritural verses! We cannot dictate to God how He should apply His Authority and Mercy! ...since you are sticking to your strictness of Scripture, can you please clarify the mystery found in 1 Corinthians 13:9--since you are implying that we know God completely and that Paul is referring to something other than God... who or what is it that we know in part but that it is not God? And please also explain what is the partial prophecy, also found in 1 Corinthians 13:9? And please, please explain what perfection is Paul speaking on in 1 Corinthians 13:10? And please, please, please explain this mystery of knowing in part and later knowing as we are known (1 Corinthians 13:12)... I am not being rude... I simply link Scripture together with Scripture and do not find vacuousness in these verses... we know partially because we are not the spiritual beings which we will become in Jesus Christ... we are known fully by God and He will grant us that familiarity with Him when we become the new creatures as we are changed in Christ! You are concerned with exegesis and eisegesis... when you make claims as to infants-children not experiencing Salvation... from which Scriptural passage are you reading, which Gospel, which Epistle, which Commandment? God Bless! Angel |
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7 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Morant61 | 138749 | ||
Greetings Angel! You wrote: "to strictly obsever Scripture, all affluent Christians must bring to their congregation their wealth and distribute it equally among its members!..." Yet, there is no such command in Scripture. We certainly have a narrative passage indicating that this was done at one time, in one place. However, there is no command given for Christians to do the same. :-) Now, concerning salvation of infants, I too believe that infants are saved. However, there is a solid theological grounds for such a position. It is that the atonement covers them. If you look up 'age accountability', you will see many posts that deal with this issue. This is vastly different than saying that infants are given a second chance after they die. :-) Your Brothers in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138818 | ||
"Yet, there is no such command in Scripture." Hi, Tim Moran! There is no comand in Scripture that tells us that we must be known as Christians (there is a reference by Christ speaking of those that will be called by His name--however, He has several names, Jesus, Immanuel, Joshua, the Word, the Lamb of God, the Son of God, the Son of man, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace... there is no command by Jesus or the Father or the Holy Spirit to call ourselves Christians... in due time the Holy Spirit did reveal Christ's Name as the Name that His followers would adopt! To claim that a practice of the early Church was a simplistic action not based on God's direction would be to remove Christ's revelation about the Holy Spirit and His interaction with the Church to: "teach you all truth." The fact that Christians have separated and have evolved into a pluralistic culture and anti-culture testifies to man's deliverate and systematic selective adherence to Scripture--only when we allow the Holy Spirit to instruct us would Christ's Church be one with one Gospel and one Faith! "This is vastly different than saying that infants are given a second chance after they die" Not once have I made such statement! I have used Scripture to demonstrate that it is God who determines who, how and when we are Saved! Moses and Elijah could not have been corpses while present at Jesus' Transfiguration... Enoc was taken up to Heaven bodily, the repentant thief (criminal) was promised by Jesus that on the day that they would physically die He would take him to Paradise... clearly, Scripture is meant to inform and teach us not to limit God's Authority and Power... for us to claim to know who and how humanity is to be Saved or damned, is it not playing "god?" It is funny how religious zealots get so caught-up in their "knowledge" that they miss God altogether! It happened to the Jews, then... it is happening to Christians, now! I was attempting to win some of them over to Christ by pointing out that it is God who determines our Salvation... I appreciated your post because it gave me an opportunity to clarify my statements... however, if you still find some point/s murky, please feel free to query me! God Bless! Angel |
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9 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Morant61 | 138826 | ||
Greetings Angel! I apologize my friend! I was operating off of memory and I had misunderstood your point about infants! :-( But, I would differ with your following statement: "clearly, Scripture is meant to inform and teach us not to limit God's Authority and Power... for us to claim to know who and how humanity is to be Saved or damned, is it not playing "god?"" Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ. God Himself has revealed that explicitly to us in His Word. Moses, Elijah, Enoch, and the thief on the cross were all saved exactly the same way we are saved, by faith in Christ. The only difference was that they believed in Him before He even came to earth, while we believe after He died and rose again. :-) You wrote: "The fact that Christians have separated and have evolved into a pluralistic culture and anti-culture testifies to man's deliverate and systematic selective adherence to Scripture--only when we allow the Holy Spirit to instruct us would Christ's Church be one with one Gospel and one Faith!" I would argue the opposite. It is preciously because we add to, ignore, or go beyond Scripture that we have so many differences between Christians. You mentioned the name 'Christian'. It matters not at all to me what someone wants to call themselves. They can call themselves 'Christians', 'Disciples', 'Followers', ect.... I really don't care because Scripture never commands us to be called by any particular title. We cannot take narrative passages and turn them into imperatives. The early church did a lot of things that are recorded in Scripture that are wrong, should we consider them imperatives for us today? :-) I don't consider anything an imperative unless God commands it in Scripture. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138861 | ||
Hi, Tim Moran! "playing "god?" You are correct in stating that "Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ." This is an excellent point... yet the manner in which we are saved is totally under God's control--The Holy Scripture does not offer a total revelation on all issues of Salvation and of the world to come... there are insinuations, there are visionary depictions, there are prophecies... none complete! This is why some people have a problem with Jesus stating to the thief that on that very day in which they were to die He would take him to Paradise... we are creatures of habit and of corporial existence... too many times we seek to reason with human intellect in order to understand God's Design--it just can't be done! It is a matter of Faith! If Jesus tells me that He will be put to death, burried, and resurrected... I believe! If Jesus tells me that on that day that He is put to death He will rescue someone and give him passage to Paradise... I do not reason with my intellect about the permeability or imposibility faced by Jesus; Jesus is God and, to God. all things are possible... so I believe tha He can accomplish that which He promised without invalidating His previous commitment to Scripture! Here's where part of the problem lies... when you state that Scripture and only Scripture has the Truth, don't you reject Jesus' own words that the Paraclete would come and bring the fulness of Truth? (John 16:12-13); it is He, the Holy Spirit, who revealed to holy men of God what they were to write for Israel and the generations to come (2 Peter 1:20-21; Romans 15:4); but Scripture never intended to limit God nor did anything written claim to have offered the full revelation of God in all matters of Faith and Worship... we find testimony, Scripture's, that tells us that in the in the last days God's Holy Spirit will descend upon us and both young and old will experience visions and dreams and will prophesy! (Acts 2:17-18) Further, if we limit God to your statement that "Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ. God Himself has revealed that explicitly to us in His Word," aren't we condemning all those who, at their death, due to insufficient chronological development (infants-children) or through some mental impairment which impedes their intellectual development, cannot receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the news about God's Mercy and Gift of Eternal Life? This is where Faith comes into play! It is not enough to believe that we know how to interprete Scripture if our interpretation of Scripture limits God's Mercy, Power, and Salvific Plan! There are no boundaries that God cannot overcome! Again, the Holy Scripture does not contain the fullness of God! It is God who chooses who and how we are saved... the Holy Scripture guide us to God's fullness but it does not replace God! (1 Corinthians 13:9-12; 1 John 3:2; John 16:12-13) "It is preciously because we add to, ignore, or go beyond Scripture that we have so many differences between Christians." My argument keeps: "deliverate and systematic selective adherence to Scripture," is what causes the schisms in the Body of Christ! When we zealously hold fast to one/some Scriptural passages while denying or rejecting the rest of the Bible (see Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, the Jews, the fantastic twisting of Matthew 16:18-19; the distortion of Jesus' statement: "Father is greater than I"...) we construct walls and barriers that are detrimental to our Spiritual wellbeing; yet instead of seeking to unite we continue, in strict adherance to our personal belief, to feed the ambers which promote further schisms in the Body of Christ! True, there are those who seek to add/substract from Scripture--to them the rest of the Bible is applied... not in vain did Jesus say that it is the Word that will judge those who do not believe! (John 12:48) "We cannot take narrative passages and turn them into imperatives." So are you saying that because Scripture speaks of Melchizedek in the form of a narrative--Melchizedek is not relevant to God's Plan? Or is Paul just being ostentatious when he reveals that the rock that gave Israel water was Jesus? (I mean, there's no command nor any prior revelation, in Scripture, that Jesus is that Rock!) Clearly, this particular revelation (1 Corinthians 10:4) demonstrates that the fullness of God had not been totally revealed... that the Holy Spirit sent by the Father and the Son, assist's Christ's Body by teaching, instructing and guiding Body of Christ. God Bless! Angel |
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11 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | srbaegon | 138880 | ||
Hello Angel, You wrote: "when you state that Scripture and only Scripture has the Truth, don't you reject Jesus' own words that the Paraclete would come and bring the fulness of Truth? (John 16:12-13)" Not at all. The further writings of the apostles is the fulfillment of this passage. You wrote: "nor did anything written claim to have offered the full revelation of God in all matters of Faith and Worship..." I beg to differ. 2 Pet 1:3-4 (ESV) His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, [4] by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. While we do not have the full revelation of God himself, we definitely have everything concerning faith and worship. You wrote: "aren't we condemning all those who, at their death, due to insufficient chronological development (infants-children) or through some mental impairment which impedes their intellectual development, cannot receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the news about God's Mercy and Gift of Eternal Life?" Again, not at all. There is sound Scriptural support that the blood of Christ covers these people. Concerning narratives, of course they are relevant to God's plan. If they weren't, they would not be in Scripture. Tim's point was that one cannot take an historical or narrative account and build a theology on it. There must be an imperative to support it. That's why there is no ongoing command for believers to place all their money in a common pool for use. Steve |
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12 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Morant61 | 138902 | ||
Greetings Steve! Excellent post my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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