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1 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Morant61 | 138826 | ||
Greetings Angel! I apologize my friend! I was operating off of memory and I had misunderstood your point about infants! :-( But, I would differ with your following statement: "clearly, Scripture is meant to inform and teach us not to limit God's Authority and Power... for us to claim to know who and how humanity is to be Saved or damned, is it not playing "god?"" Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ. God Himself has revealed that explicitly to us in His Word. Moses, Elijah, Enoch, and the thief on the cross were all saved exactly the same way we are saved, by faith in Christ. The only difference was that they believed in Him before He even came to earth, while we believe after He died and rose again. :-) You wrote: "The fact that Christians have separated and have evolved into a pluralistic culture and anti-culture testifies to man's deliverate and systematic selective adherence to Scripture--only when we allow the Holy Spirit to instruct us would Christ's Church be one with one Gospel and one Faith!" I would argue the opposite. It is preciously because we add to, ignore, or go beyond Scripture that we have so many differences between Christians. You mentioned the name 'Christian'. It matters not at all to me what someone wants to call themselves. They can call themselves 'Christians', 'Disciples', 'Followers', ect.... I really don't care because Scripture never commands us to be called by any particular title. We cannot take narrative passages and turn them into imperatives. The early church did a lot of things that are recorded in Scripture that are wrong, should we consider them imperatives for us today? :-) I don't consider anything an imperative unless God commands it in Scripture. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | JCrichton | 138861 | ||
Hi, Tim Moran! "playing "god?" You are correct in stating that "Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ." This is an excellent point... yet the manner in which we are saved is totally under God's control--The Holy Scripture does not offer a total revelation on all issues of Salvation and of the world to come... there are insinuations, there are visionary depictions, there are prophecies... none complete! This is why some people have a problem with Jesus stating to the thief that on that very day in which they were to die He would take him to Paradise... we are creatures of habit and of corporial existence... too many times we seek to reason with human intellect in order to understand God's Design--it just can't be done! It is a matter of Faith! If Jesus tells me that He will be put to death, burried, and resurrected... I believe! If Jesus tells me that on that day that He is put to death He will rescue someone and give him passage to Paradise... I do not reason with my intellect about the permeability or imposibility faced by Jesus; Jesus is God and, to God. all things are possible... so I believe tha He can accomplish that which He promised without invalidating His previous commitment to Scripture! Here's where part of the problem lies... when you state that Scripture and only Scripture has the Truth, don't you reject Jesus' own words that the Paraclete would come and bring the fulness of Truth? (John 16:12-13); it is He, the Holy Spirit, who revealed to holy men of God what they were to write for Israel and the generations to come (2 Peter 1:20-21; Romans 15:4); but Scripture never intended to limit God nor did anything written claim to have offered the full revelation of God in all matters of Faith and Worship... we find testimony, Scripture's, that tells us that in the in the last days God's Holy Spirit will descend upon us and both young and old will experience visions and dreams and will prophesy! (Acts 2:17-18) Further, if we limit God to your statement that "Scripture tells us exactly how someone is saved, by faith in Christ. God Himself has revealed that explicitly to us in His Word," aren't we condemning all those who, at their death, due to insufficient chronological development (infants-children) or through some mental impairment which impedes their intellectual development, cannot receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the news about God's Mercy and Gift of Eternal Life? This is where Faith comes into play! It is not enough to believe that we know how to interprete Scripture if our interpretation of Scripture limits God's Mercy, Power, and Salvific Plan! There are no boundaries that God cannot overcome! Again, the Holy Scripture does not contain the fullness of God! It is God who chooses who and how we are saved... the Holy Scripture guide us to God's fullness but it does not replace God! (1 Corinthians 13:9-12; 1 John 3:2; John 16:12-13) "It is preciously because we add to, ignore, or go beyond Scripture that we have so many differences between Christians." My argument keeps: "deliverate and systematic selective adherence to Scripture," is what causes the schisms in the Body of Christ! When we zealously hold fast to one/some Scriptural passages while denying or rejecting the rest of the Bible (see Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, the Jews, the fantastic twisting of Matthew 16:18-19; the distortion of Jesus' statement: "Father is greater than I"...) we construct walls and barriers that are detrimental to our Spiritual wellbeing; yet instead of seeking to unite we continue, in strict adherance to our personal belief, to feed the ambers which promote further schisms in the Body of Christ! True, there are those who seek to add/substract from Scripture--to them the rest of the Bible is applied... not in vain did Jesus say that it is the Word that will judge those who do not believe! (John 12:48) "We cannot take narrative passages and turn them into imperatives." So are you saying that because Scripture speaks of Melchizedek in the form of a narrative--Melchizedek is not relevant to God's Plan? Or is Paul just being ostentatious when he reveals that the rock that gave Israel water was Jesus? (I mean, there's no command nor any prior revelation, in Scripture, that Jesus is that Rock!) Clearly, this particular revelation (1 Corinthians 10:4) demonstrates that the fullness of God had not been totally revealed... that the Holy Spirit sent by the Father and the Son, assist's Christ's Body by teaching, instructing and guiding Body of Christ. God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | srbaegon | 138880 | ||
Hello Angel, You wrote: "when you state that Scripture and only Scripture has the Truth, don't you reject Jesus' own words that the Paraclete would come and bring the fulness of Truth? (John 16:12-13)" Not at all. The further writings of the apostles is the fulfillment of this passage. You wrote: "nor did anything written claim to have offered the full revelation of God in all matters of Faith and Worship..." I beg to differ. 2 Pet 1:3-4 (ESV) His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, [4] by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. While we do not have the full revelation of God himself, we definitely have everything concerning faith and worship. You wrote: "aren't we condemning all those who, at their death, due to insufficient chronological development (infants-children) or through some mental impairment which impedes their intellectual development, cannot receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the news about God's Mercy and Gift of Eternal Life?" Again, not at all. There is sound Scriptural support that the blood of Christ covers these people. Concerning narratives, of course they are relevant to God's plan. If they weren't, they would not be in Scripture. Tim's point was that one cannot take an historical or narrative account and build a theology on it. There must be an imperative to support it. That's why there is no ongoing command for believers to place all their money in a common pool for use. Steve |
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4 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Morant61 | 138902 | ||
Greetings Steve! Excellent post my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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