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1 | Moral, Ceremonial, and Civil law | James 2:10 | Reformer Joe | 19280 | ||
Great verse, even though it is not found in Ephesians and does not explain how you insist that Ephesians 6 is for the unregenerate from that epistle. When Paul tells the Thessalonians to be sexually pure (not violating the fourth commandment), is he speaking to the unregenerate? When Paul says that a covetous person (i.e. violators of the Tenth Commandment) has no place in the kingdom of God, is he speaking to the unregenerate? When James quotes Leviticus 19:18 in telling the church to love their neighbors as themselves, is he speaking to the unregenerate? When Peter says not to suffer as a murderer (see the pattern?), is he speaking to the unregenerate? Was Paul out of line at the end of 1 Timothy 1 for kicking out those blasphemers? How dare he invoke laws against using God's name in vain! Doesn't he realize he is living in the New Testament? It simply does not hold water, Bill. Launch as much silliness as you wish regarding "bulls and goats" to try and anger me. Keep intentionally confusing moral uprightness with the slaughter of animals. The very reason I reject the theological views in which I was raised and you promote here is that they are inadequate to explain entire epistles which stress that works are both a component and mark of a person who possesses true faith. God changes me so that I will live out the purpose for which I was re-created. God sees to it that Christ's death on my behalf is not fruitless. He is my source, and the fruit of my Christian life is evidence of my connection to the Vine. You reject the Ten Commandments as useful; yet every specific commandment regarding the conduct of a believer given in the New Testament is in some form or fashion a reiteration of the moral will of God as revealed in the Old Testament. To say that you have not only been declared righteous but actually have BECOME 100 percent righteous just shows how poor your perspective is of the utter and absolute holiness and perfection of God the Father and of Jesus Christ. Read Revelation 1 to see how "righteous" John considered himself in the presence of the glorified Christ. Read how in 1 Timothy 1 that Paul calls himself the foremost of sinners. Read how Paul tells "righteous" Timothy to pursue righteousness in 1 Timothy 6:11 (why would he pursue something that he already is?) This is the sad state of evangelicalism in the United States today. Obedience to God on the part of the believer is ridiculed, and easy believism and cheap grace rule the day. So-called Christians bend over backwards to say, "But I am already saved! God is already pleased with me in every way. He sees nothing but Jesus. Don't tell me I have to be a DISCIPLE of Christ! No rules; and don't even bother me with passages which try to restrict my freedom in Christ to do whatever I want. They were meant for anyone else but me." I am just glad that when the teenagers I work with ask, "I am saved; what else is there?" that I can point to a purpose outside themselves why Christ paid such a high price. Man-centered theology is going to be the destroyer of the North Amercian Church. I am done here. You go on insisting that God doesn't call for us to do anything for His sake, despite all the Scripture which says that that is our sole purpose. I will go take my seat between Jack and Rexella Van Impe and wait for "that temple to be rebuilt." Any day now, right? ;) --Joe! "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." --Ephesians 2:10 THIS is the word of the Lord. |
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2 | Moral, Ceremonial, and Civil law | James 2:10 | Ray | 19411 | ||
Hi Joe, I haven't taken the time to read all of this thread, but I would like to compare 1 Timothy and Ephesians. The two books point out to me the reason that we keep the law. He wants us to be able to render Him service. Ephesians 6:7, "With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free." He is our King and Master, the One we serve. 1 Timothy 1:16b, "as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever, Amen." One other comparison for your consideration. The church is subject to Christ so that He "might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless." Ephesians 5:27 Christ loves the church and can use us if we are good examples, because we are members of His body. 1 Timothy 1:14, So let's thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strenthened us; "because He considered me faithful, *putting me into service;..." Our Lord's grace and love is more than abundant. So to srbaegon I would say that we should keep all our laws and do all things to the glory of God. I'm sorry if I intruded too much. It appears that you sparked a good discussion. |
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