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1 | Moral, Ceremonial, and Civil law | James 2:10 | Reformer Joe | 19221 | ||
Steve: I think it is a situation like the doctrine of the Trinity. There is not one verse that points it out, but taken as a whole, the New Testament reveals it. For example, in Acts 10 and 15 (and in 1 Corinthians and Romans 14), we see that dietary laws are no longer in force. Hebrews makes it clear that sacrifices are no longer to be practiced, since they prefigured the reality which has already come in Christ's atonement. In addition, since Israel as an autonomous nation no longer existed, most of the civil instructions could no longer be followed. Paul and James both approvingly re-iterate the Ten Commandments, however, in their moral instructions to Gentile believers (Ephesians 6:2,3; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 5:5; James 2). Nowhere do the apostles say that the Ten Commandments (moral laws) are not applicable to believers. In fact, they say that loving them and following them is a mark of the true believer. We are not saved by adherence to the law, but by faith; however, true saving faith will produce in us adherence to God's moral law. It is our faith through which we are saved, but that faith results in works which correspond to God's holy and moral standards. The Holy Spirit doesn't move me to slaughter sheep and goats, nor to avoid pork, but rather to love my neighbor as myself and to love the Lord with all my strength, heart, soul, and mind. --Joe! |
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2 | The question stands | James 2:10 | srbaegon | 19226 | ||
That still begs the question I posed to Searcher (who was more than kind in changing his user name, even though he didn't have to): If Christ fulfilled the Law, why do we teach one another to keep the "Moral Law"? Steve |
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3 | The question stands | James 2:10 | charis | 19238 | ||
Dear Steve, Greetings in Jesus' name! "Wisdom shouts in the street, She lifts her voice in the square;" Proverbs 1:20 NASB My friend, I think that if you were to take the sum total of what Jesus said about the Pharisee's ideas about 'keeping the Sabbath' or 'keeping the Law,' you would be led to the conclusion that both were set up as a light of wisdom, truth and common sense. The intent, the purpose was to get an unruly people to adhere to what they *should* do, and know what they *should* know. Even though the Ten Commandments were common sense and common knowledge (to anyone possessing a brain and faith toward God), AND they were written by the finger of God, they STILL couldn't keep them, and spent an inordinate amount of time and effort in figuring how to weasel out of them, or use them to their advantage. Now, praise God!, we have the Holy Spirit to lead us, from the inside, to all truth. The Sabbath and the Law were NOT abolished, but *enhanced.* They are made better! Their *tutorial* role is still intact, but the New Covenant has fulfilled their original intent and purpose. The thing that stands between us, as participants in this New Covenant, and spiritual adherence of these treasures, is the Old Covenant mentality of legalism and the *Old Man* mentality of self that we are *supposed to* be set free from. Sorry that I do not give a lot of Scripture to back this up, but I must be off... Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | The question stands | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19240 | ||
Dear charis, Paul disagrees with you. Ephsians 2:14-16 - For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. Galatians 3:23-25 - But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.' See these scriptures: Rom 6:14,15; Rom 7:1-4,6,18,18,22; Rom 8:2,13; Gal 2:4,19,20; Gal 3:13,25; Gal 4:5; Gal 5:1,18 In Christ, Bill Mc |
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5 | The question stands | James 2:10 | charis | 19244 | ||
Dear Bill Mc, Greetings in the name of Jesus! With all due respect, my friend, Paul does not disagree with me, but YOU do! :-) (Paul has not been around to personally disagree with anyone for a LONG time) I don't really want to get involved in a 'tit for tat' type of argument. I think that if you were to look at the sum of the 'Law versus Grace' discussion raging on the forum these days, you would see that it has become kind of an 'Old Testament versus New Testament' battle. This is ridiculous! We have a Bible that includes the Old Testament for a purpose. If indeed the 'tutor' is truly 'abolished,' then we would be studying little pocket New Testaments with huge marginal notes. Bill, I am fully aware that my relationship with Jesus is entirely based on the New Covenant that God has graced us with. But we cannot 'do away with' the Old Testament, that is STILL a tutor to lead us to Christ. My note was in answer to a question asking the New Testament purpose of the Law. My contention (opinion) is that the common sense and wisdom of the Old Testament is still very much worthy of consideration, even though it has legally been superceded. Jesus fulfilled the Law, yes! But never did He say to 'chuck it.' Thank you for the many references, though! :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | The question stands | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19248 | ||
Dear charis, I agree. The OT is a tutor to lead sinners to Christ. But once it has done that, and Christ makes us saints, we are no longer under it. Sure our Bibles have the OT. But they also have the NT. Contemporary Christian says that, in order to have the full revelation of how we live as Christians, we must meld them together. I.e. take all the Law and mix it with all of grace and then you will have the truth. That is like trying to mix oil and water. They are two different things. That is precisely why there is an Old Covenant and a New Covenant. A new will does indeed supercede any old one, as you have stated. But many on this forum would say that both wills apply. They imply that Christ saves you so that you can then fulfill the Law. I don't find this ridiculous, charis, I find this insulting to Christ's work. He said that it is finished. And I respectfully submit to you, dear charis, that Paul's words still stand - once you have come to Christ by faith, you are no longer under that old tutor. Free at last, free at last, Bill Mc |
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7 | The question stands | James 2:10 | charis | 19252 | ||
Dear Bill, Peace to you in Jesus' name! Brother, I have no argument against being a new creation in Christ Jesus! But honoring and revering the Old Testament as a perfectly complimentary 'teacher of Christ' could hardly be considered insulting. So now that you have 'finished with' your third grade English teacher (or college professor, or whatever), do you 'dismiss' them and void them from your memory? This would be to imply that YOU have graduated from their influence, and that YOU are better than they are. Sorry, but I don't have the ability to 'purge' myself from giving due respect and glory to the venerable (though superceded) Word of God. Nor have I come to the point that I, personally, am free from the life contained in the Old Testament. I do not consider myself to be 'under contract' to the Old Testament. But I will continue to read from it's holy pages and still learn. I find that mixing the 'intent' of the Law, and the fulfillment of the Law is not oil and water at all! In fact, I find the two to be very compatible. Please do not lump this together with those that worship the 'legal' Law and try to make us adhere to the letter. I, too, am set free from this bondage. :-) Out of curiosity I ask, have you read some of my other posts? I think that my heart would be evident to you if you had... In Christ Jesus, charis |
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8 | The question stands | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19270 | ||
Dear charis, I agree with your post, brother. If you will read some of my other posts, you would also see that I feel that the OT has its place. And I agree with the 'intent.' But there are many who would not, and preach the 'letter' instead of the intent. They preach that we must keep the Old Covenant. While they have as much right to preach Old Covenant here as I do to point to the New, it would be a travesty to let them continually go unchallenged. Yes, I have read many of your other posts (not all, too time consuming) and I think I know you're heart. I think you do a great job here on this forum. Especially at keeping the peace. Thanks for your work. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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