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1 | Why keep the Moral Law? | James 2:10 | Reformer Joe | 19253 | ||
Bill: On another side note, I notice that once again you failed to address the Scripture passages that make up 90 percent of my post. Is my interpretation of these verses in error? If so, what do they really mean? Also, where did I say that God NEEDS me? We are to live in righteousness for His name's sake. God doesn't NEED us to be righteous, but that is certainly the purpose for which we were saved (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:20; 1 Peter 2:9,10) "God never calls you to do things FOR Him"? My Bible seems to differ with that view: "Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; FOR ALL TO LIVE TO HIM." --Luke 20:38 "Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, IN ORDER THAT WE MIGHT BEAR FRUIT FOR GOD." --Romans 7:4 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and WE EXIST FOR HIM; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." --1 Corinthians 8:6 "For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants FOR JESUS' SAKE." --2 Corinthians 4:5 "Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE; for when I am weak, then I am strong." --2 Corinthians 12:10 "For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer FOR HIS SAKE" --Philippians 1:29 "For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus." Philippians 2:21 "and I pray that the fellowship of your faith may become effective through the knowledge of every good thing which is in you FOR CHRIST"S SAKE." --Philemon 6 "For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. FOR YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED FOR THIS PURPOSE, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps" --1 Peter 2:21 There is a lot of text you have to rip out of your Bible if you want to make the claim that we are not saved with the end of serving Him and glorifying Him through our lives. Again, it is the Spirit of God who empowers us to live righteously, but that righteousness is part and parcel of the Christian life and is not just a neat "extra" for those who are truly regenerate. Again, if I am wrong here, please tell me what this list of verses really is saying. Why do the apostles stress works so much? Why do many of them state that "faith without works is dead" and that if we do not follow his commandments, that we are liars and do not truly belong to Him at all? Again, so as not to be mistaken as someone trying to "work his way to Heaven," let me try and close the barn door one more time: works do not save, but neither does a "faith" that does not result in works. We do not gain nor maintain a right standing with God through works, but as Peter states above, our works matter to Him; and as James and John make crystal clear in their epistles, righteous deeds for Christ's sake are the marks of a true believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. --Joe! |
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2 | Why keep the Moral Law? | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19266 | ||
Dear Joe, See my other post. We view through different lens, brother. You see works as proof of what you are. I see works as a result of what we are. The difference is not the works. The difference is the source. Your source is yourself. Christ was never His own source. Our source is to be Him in us, not ourselves. You see commands are something that we have to do. I see them as something things we get to participate in with Christ fulfilling them in us - Rom 8:4. Let me lock the barn door. I, too, believe that a genuine faith results in works. But that is the correct order. Works are the results of genuine faith in Christ to work through us, not the by product of us doing it apart from Him. "Apart from Me, you can do nothing." (I am not going to, for the sake of time, interpret all these verses for you. You don't require it, Joe. But to illustrate our different lens, consider the Rom 7:4 verse that talks about us bearing fruit. That is correct, as we abide in Him, as the branch abides in the vine, we will bear, support, display the fruit. But we do not produce it. He does. If you cut the branch from the vine, it bears no fruit. If you splice a live branch into a dead vine, it will still bear no fruit. The source is always the vine. The life flows up from the vine into the branch and produces the fruit. The branch can produce none by itself. That is my point. But most legalist would say, "See, there, brother, if you ain't producin' good fruit, then you shore ain't no Christian." The legalist's focus in on him and others, what we do for God. Our focus should be on Christ, the author and completer of our faith.) Blessings to you, Bill Mc |
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3 | Why keep the Moral Law? | James 2:10 | Reformer Joe | 19271 | ||
You wrote: "See my other post. We view through different lens, brother. You see works as proof of what you are. I see works as a result of what we are." Actually, I see works as both, as does the Bible: "So then, you will know them by their fruits." --Luke 7:20 "But someone may well say, 'You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.'" --James 2:18 --Joe! |
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4 | Why keep the Moral Law? | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19275 | ||
Dear Joe, Yes, brother, I do indeed see who your faith is in. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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5 | Why keep the Moral Law? | James 2:10 | Reformer Joe | 19281 | ||
Since you are calling me "brother," I can only take that as realization on your part of my point. Glad these two verses helped... --Joe! |
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