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1 | The church as the pillar of Truth? | 1 Tim 3:15 | junmeskie | 137132 | ||
Steve wrote: "The only difference between written and oral teaching would not be authoritative because it's not God's word." ---------------- Al's Answer ------------------ I see but tell me if these verses below is not authoritative? and if it is not says who? Paul speaks of oral tradition as authoritative - 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2, 1 Thess. 2:13 Paul speaks of oral tradition as authoritative. 2Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." Early Christians followed apostolic tradition - Acts 2:42, 2 Timothy 2:2 "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit Thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" Steve wrote: 1 Tim 3:15 is a metaphor. 1 Cor 12 calls the church a body. Same thing--different picture. ------------------- Al Answer ---------------- is this your personal interpretation? or Gods word? I pray and hope that I don't have to keep reposting these same verses because it does not suit your Theology. God Bless Al |
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2 | The church as the pillar of Truth? | 1 Tim 3:15 | srbaegon | 137236 | ||
Hello Al, If you are saying that oral tradition is the apostle's doctrine (teaching), then I agree oral tradition is authoritative, but it's only authoritative because it was later written down for us to read. Remember there were several false teachers going around saying wicked things in the name of Christ. The apostles had to write letters in order to set things straight and remind them of what they were previously taught. The message never changed. The teaching never changed. It was consistent between the oral and written. Of course 1 Tim 3:15 and 1 Cor 12 are metaphors. A simple reading is sufficient to see that. Steve |
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3 | The church as the pillar of Truth? | 1 Tim 3:15 | junmeskie | 137241 | ||
THE first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which claimant, among the many contending for the title, was the true Church, and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants. In its concrete form, apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops can have their lineage of predecessors traced back to the time of the apostles, something which is impossible in Protestant denominations (most of whom do not even claim to have bishops). The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the teachings of the apostles would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy: "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first four generations of apostolic succession--his own generation, Timothy's generation, the generation Timothy will teach, and the generation they in turn will teach. The Church Fathers, who were links in that chain of succession, regularly appealed to apostolic succession as a test for whether Catholics or heretics had correct doctrine. This was necessary because heretics simply put their own interpretations, even bizarre ones, on the Scriptures. Clearly, something other than Scripture had to be used as an ultimate test of doctrine in these cases. (to cntinue click or copy paste lins below) The role of APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. http://www.geocities.com/junmeskie/Apostolic.html TO PROTECT HIS TEACHING FROM THE HERETICS Peace Al |
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4 | The church as the pillar of Truth? | 1 Tim 3:15 | srbaegon | 137454 | ||
Hello Al, The first Christians did not have to check apostolic authority. They could ask the apostles themselves. Timothy was not taught to pass on the truth to bishops or any other church leader. He was told to pass it on to faithful men. There's quite a difference. Faithfulness does not equal church leadership. Clearly, the final determination of doctrine was based on Scripture. They appealed to the closest link to the apostles to give themselves credibility. Steve |
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