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1 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14843 | ||
Greetings EdB and Nolan! Personally, I don't think we should shy away from issues because they might be "volatile." Any issue can be volatile if people become too personally involved in being "right" rather than being open to discussion of other viewpoints. I can't think of any major doctrine that would not be volatile. My recommendation to everyone on the forum, regardless of the topic, is don't take things personally. We all have an opinion. We all have reasons for why we believe the way that we do. If someone doesn't agree with us, we should not take that as an attack on us personally. State your case! Respond to questions. Keep an open mind. And, above all, pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance. Then, we can discuss complex issue without fear. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14846 | ||
Tim I don't think it is matter of shying away from something volatile. The question is to what end? The pre, mid, and post trib debate has raged for generations, without end. To rehash it here serves what purpose? There has to be a thousand books defending any one position, comparing them, showing error of doctrine, debating them, and etc. By bringing it up here would do what? Other than show who possibly is best debater. Do you think anyone will change their beliefs? And if they do who is to say that their new position is correct? I suspect most people here attend a church, their church probably teaches their position on pre, mid, post or no trib. If one could/would change another’s beliefs probably the most that would be accomplished is to now have that person at odds with what their church believes. Therefore all we have accomplished is bringing strife. I think the forum should stay with answerable questions, and shy away from philosophical debates without end. |
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3 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14848 | ||
Greetings EdB! I am really not trying to be a wise guy, but what then is the purpose of the forum? There isn't any believe that someone, somewhere will not disagree with or view differently. Personally, I see several possible benefits to any debate (no matter how long it has been around): 1) Exposing new believers to viewpoints with which they may not be familiar! Not everyone is at the same level of experience! What, to some of us, may be old hat, may be totally new to some. 2) Sharpen our undersanding of various doctrines! All doctrine has practical benefits in real life. Even issues like the end times can and do effect how we live our lives. By discussing these issues with others, we can sharpen our understanding of these doctrines. 3) Possibly change viewpoints! I do believe it is possible for someone to change their viewpoints. I have been a Christian for almost 32 years now. Over those years, my views have changed and evolved. I try to be open to what Scripture says, not what I want to believe. So, if someone presents me with a case from Scripture that is credible, I would readily change my position, especially on non-essential doctrines. I agree that we should stay away from purely philosophical debates. But, doctrine is a matter of Scripture, not just opinion. I believe that such discussion can be profitable as long as we remember to act in Christian love. If we can't discuss doctrine, then what is the purpose of a Bible Study Forum? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14851 | ||
I thought the purpose was to Study the Bible and seek out answers it contains. If the subject we choose doesn't have Biblical answer we should move on. Tim, what your looking for really is philosophical debate, which I enjoy more than the anyone. However keeping 2 Tim 3:7 I try to spend more time on things I can prove to be true. |
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5 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14853 | ||
Greetings EdB! Now I'm going to get philosophical on you! :-) Show me one doctrine in the Bible that you can prove to be true, without anyone disagreeing with you! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14863 | ||
Tim I think we both know there are issues that we have to stand on and issues such as pre,mid, and post that we shouldn't. You obviously insist to do this okay let's see what happens. I pray God will be glorified out of it all |
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7 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14873 | ||
Greetings EdB! First of all, I don't insist on doing it. I didn't even ask the question! It's all Nolan's fault (Sorry Nolan!) ;-) Secondly, I have simply been trying to make the point that we should not limit discussion on a public forum to topics where there is no disagreement. There aren't any. I agree with you about there being issues that we must stand on. I refered to them in another post as core beliefs. The Deity of Christ is a core belief. If someone does not accept that, they are not Christian. There is no room for compromise. The timing of the rapture is not a core belief. Christians can and do have different views. However, just because they are not core beliefs, does not mean that they are of no value. The purpose of this thread though was simply to discuss those different views. I don't see any harm in that. You haven't called me any names. I haven't called you any names. Yet, we see the timing of the rapture differently. The thread would only become harmful if someone became antagonistic about the issue. At that point, I would simply refuse to address that topic with that person. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14879 | ||
Tim I did not give my position on the rapture. And your right it is all Nolan's fault :-) |
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9 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14882 | ||
EdB! Now I'll hear it from Nolan! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Makarios | 14886 | ||
Hello Tim, So the believers who have died will go straight to heaven after the rapture with imperishable bodies and the people who are 'caught up in the air' with them who are alive will remain on the earth to remain with Christ? Is this your understanding if I am following you correctly? Your Brother in Christ, Nolan |
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11 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14890 | ||
Greetings Nolan! I'm not sure I follow your question! At the rapture, both living and dead believers will go with Christ to Heaven for the Wedding Supper. They will all return at the Second Coming and rule with Christ over the rest of the world during the millenium. Is this what you were asking? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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12 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Makarios | 14894 | ||
Hello Tim, That was pretty much my question.. So I am correct in understanding that those with glorified bodies will be present and "ruling" with and among those who are "mortal" but believers in Christ. Blessings, Nolan |
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13 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14905 | ||
Greetings Nolan! That is my understanding. And, as EdB pointed out, there will also be other people present during the millenium who may not be believers in Christ. For instance, consider Rev. 20:7-8: "When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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14 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Makarios | 14908 | ||
Hello Tim, Does Zechariah 14 help at all (especially verse 16) in explaining that there will be people left on earth to "rule"? Blessings, Nolan |
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15 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14913 | ||
Hi Nolan! Exactly! I think the key point to remember, at least in my understanding, is that the millenium is basically a fulfillment of the covenant promises to Israel. They will rule as God promised. Fortunately, for us, we will be part of that Spiritual Israel as believers. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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16 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14917 | ||
Aw! Now we are getting where I hoped to be. Who is going to get saved during the Millennium? Most teach it is who so ever will, however I think the whole is about Israel and and I don't see many outside of Israel getting saved. It might be the whole nation will come to saving knowledge and be preserved by God's intervention and they will be the ones entering the Millennium. | ||||||
17 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | Morant61 | 14919 | ||
Greetings EdB! Possible!!! I haven't not really heard that view before, but it would be in harmony with God's purpose of election in Rom. 9-11 as well, especially Rom. 11:26. See, we can all learn something new from a friendly discussion! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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18 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14934 | ||
It seems to make sense since Daniel was definitely a prophet to the Jews and never was given a view of the church. Yet was given what many take to be a view of end times prophecy. It would all full into place remove the church and then the focus would back on the Jew. Many hold Revelation chapters 1-3 are continuing messages to the church. Chapter 4 presents John's experience in the rapture and chapters 5-19 are written to the Jew and 20-22 to God's total family. |
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19 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | glory777 | 14940 | ||
OK all you guys- First of all, I don't think I want to rule. I love horses and I already have put in my application to clean the stables (Jesus will be riding a white horse, right?). Is the horse thing literal or not? If it is, you guys had better learn how to ride, because I think scripture mentions we will all be riding with Him when He returns to show Himself as Lord of Lords and King of Kings and takes over rule of the earth. Love you all- Debbie |
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20 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14942 | ||
Been there done that, know all about horses. Just grab their ear and twist or was it just whisper. Oh well Hehah! |
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