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1 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66451 | ||
Maybe you all can help me with this. If I remember correctly, Job "submitted" to the Lord, saying, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him." If he didn't say that, please correct me (or tell me who did say it.) Or, if that wasn't submission, what is submission? It seems that Jesus also gives a model for submitting even to the point of death. Isn't that what the martyrs did too? Isn't that the scriptural model of submission to God? Then there's Daniel and his buddies, perhaps with a different dynamic. If this is proper submission to the Lord, then how can wives submit to their husbands "as unto the Lord?" (Eph. 5:22) Do wives have a lesser calling to submission to the Lord than men (or husbands, specifically) so that they are called on to submit to their husbands less than these scriptural (and martyr-type) models of submission submitted to the Lord? Did God design women (wives, specifically) to be less capable of the strengths or qualities necessary for submission than Job, Jesus, and the martyrs (some of whom were women?) Submission to anyone, even God, is a tough pill for any person to swallow, due to what we refer to as "sin nature." Submission to the point of pain or injury, let alone death, is naturally untenable. Are we called to live "naturally?" Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. Isn't a husband (or wife) to submit to the Lord that way? I'd really like to understand this. Please help if you can. Thanks, -srchng |
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2 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | Reformer Joe | 66559 | ||
You wrote: 'Maybe you all can help me with this. If I remember correctly, Job "submitted" to the Lord, saying, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him." If he didn't say that, please correct me (or tell me who did say it.) Or, if that wasn't submission, what is submission?' Job did say that, and we can call it submission. One needs to remember that God is sinless and that there was purpose in suffering for Job. A husband is a human being, and for one sinful human being to mistreat another is against God's law. "Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. Isn't a husband (or wife) to submit to the Lord that way?" It is the responsibility of the church to look after the well-being of its members and to discipline sinners (which would include the husband if he is a professing Christian). It is the responsibility of the state to punish evildoers, and they have been given authority by God to do so (Romans 13). The wife should never keep silent about her husband's sin in this area, because there are God-ordained means for protecting her from a sinning husband and bringing him to repentance. --Joe! |
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3 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66614 | ||
Reformer Joe, Your answer seems to me to be more or less scripturally sound, though you cited or alluded to no scripure to help others see your source, and is applicable for the man who mistreats his wife, but doesn't quite address the intended questions. I'm not as good at this as some, so please be patient with me. Would you be so good as to see my note to retxar, just after retxar's answer to me? It might help you to understand what I'm asking. Thank you, -srchng |
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