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1 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66451 | ||
Maybe you all can help me with this. If I remember correctly, Job "submitted" to the Lord, saying, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him." If he didn't say that, please correct me (or tell me who did say it.) Or, if that wasn't submission, what is submission? It seems that Jesus also gives a model for submitting even to the point of death. Isn't that what the martyrs did too? Isn't that the scriptural model of submission to God? Then there's Daniel and his buddies, perhaps with a different dynamic. If this is proper submission to the Lord, then how can wives submit to their husbands "as unto the Lord?" (Eph. 5:22) Do wives have a lesser calling to submission to the Lord than men (or husbands, specifically) so that they are called on to submit to their husbands less than these scriptural (and martyr-type) models of submission submitted to the Lord? Did God design women (wives, specifically) to be less capable of the strengths or qualities necessary for submission than Job, Jesus, and the martyrs (some of whom were women?) Submission to anyone, even God, is a tough pill for any person to swallow, due to what we refer to as "sin nature." Submission to the point of pain or injury, let alone death, is naturally untenable. Are we called to live "naturally?" Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. Isn't a husband (or wife) to submit to the Lord that way? I'd really like to understand this. Please help if you can. Thanks, -srchng |
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2 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | RFriend | 66458 | ||
This is a question I struggle with constantly. The entire Bible seems written to and for men, for their benefit. Women at best, are 2nd rate, and at worst, as srchng notes, set up for terrible abuse. Every abusive man I've ever known will quote this text. When the "love your wife" part is pointed out, these men will invariably respond, "Oh, but I DO! I discipline her to HELP her." Baloney! I don't have an answer as to why the Bible seems to indicate God's love for men, but His hatred for women. I do know this: 1) No mortal man is God and submission to an infinitely pure, holy, loving Being is not the same as submission to a finite, sinful mortal. 2) No woman should stay in an abusive relationship. Get out, get out, get out. A loving God does not require you to sacrifice your life to a sinful male intent on destroying or controlling you. |
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3 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66471 | ||
Thnk you so much for your response. I would naturally agree with you. But, as I implied, I'm trying to get past thinking "naturally." And I'm really hungry for scripture to help me resolve this question. Do you know any scripture that would support the views you expressed, (that I would naturally tend to agree with?) I'm specifically looking for scripture that relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. If a married woman gets saved, and her abusive husband remains unsaved, leaving him seems to fly in the face of scripture. (1 Cor 7:13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. (1 Pet 3:1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,) Is there anything I'm missing? Thanks, -srchng |
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4 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | charis | 66473 | ||
Dear srching, Greetings in Jesus' name! Bearing physical persecution for the sake of your faith is one thing, bearing physical abuse for the sake of a whim from someone that promised to love you and care for you is another. In my experience, men do not abuse their wives 'because they became Christians,' but because they want to abuse their wives. "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace." 1 Corinthians 7:15 NASB. I would say that if physical abuse is chronic (and even psychological or emotional abuse in some cases), the the unbelieving (or even believing!) spouse is not 'with' their mate, but has 'left.' Mind you, every case needs the special attention of a caring shepherd, so I only speak in generalities. But physical abuse is dangerous and illegal. There is no Biblical commandment to bear this. Peace and wisdom to you. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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