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1 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18912 | ||
Viva la difference, Tim! Salvation is not separte from propitiation. And Propitiation does not preceed faith In Paul's exposition of salvation in Rom. 1 - 8, he knows no propitiation apart from justification by faith. Salvation is salvation from (among other things) the wrath of God. Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION IN HIS BLOOD THROUGH FAITH [my caps]. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb Lionstrong |
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2 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Morant61 | 18940 | ||
Greetings Lionstrong! Well, it was worth a try! :-) You brought up Rom. 5:9! How about Rom. 5:10 - "For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!" Compare this verse with 2 Cor. 5:19, where Paul says that God was reconciling the world to Himself through Christ. So, doesn't this mean God was extending freedom from His wrath to everyone. The difference being Rom. 5:11, "Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation." Believers have received reconcilation, while unbelivers still need to "be reconciled (2 Cor. 5:20). Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19183 | ||
Greetings Tim! "So, doesn't this mean God was extending freedom from His wrath to everyone?" No, brother Tim. Just as I wrote concering propitiation (1 Jn 2:2), if every individual in the world is reconciled then they are reconciled, that is, no longer enemies but friends. Since the Fall this has never been the case, is not now, nor ever will be. Just as Paul does not separate propitiation from salvation, so he does with reconciliation. We cannot be friends with God until his wrath is propitiated. This happens only on an personal, individual basis as we believe in our Savior. Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood THROUGH FAITH (my caps).... Rom 5:1,10 Therefore, having been justified BY FAITH (my caps), we have peace [reconciliation] with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,.... For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. The blood of Christ alone propitiates AND reconciles by faith alone. Peace, Lionstrong |
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4 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Morant61 | 19212 | ||
Greetings Lionstrong! Thank you very much for your gentle spirit and your kind responses! This is what the Forum is all about: You made your case and I made my case. Now, the readers can decide. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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