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1 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18898 | ||
The mistake being made, brother Tim, is to define atonement in such a way that a person's sins are NOT atoned for, that is, propitiated (Rom 3:25). If the blood of our Savior has propitiated (translated atoned in some translation, i.e. NIV) the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. But what we see is that God's wrath will be poured out on some men. 2 Thess 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 2 Thess 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 2 Thess 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 2 Thess 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thess 1:10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed. How can this be if our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God for all men? Again, If the blood of our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. "But because of your [unbeliever's] stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God..." Rom 2:5 Salvation means, among other things, that we are no longer under the just wrath of God. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb, Lionstrong Peace, Lionstrong |
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2 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | CDBJ | 18899 | ||
I think that in a way, that you are both right, now how is that for openers? The word for atonement in the Old Testament was KAPHAR, i.e. a covering; the sin was covered, but it was still there, until God's Messiah would come. The word that we have in the New Testament for atonement is KATALLAGE in the Greek, which is derived from KATALLASSO, to reconcile. Do you remember what John the Baptist said when he saw Jesus coming? (Behold the Lamb of God who covers our sin) ((NOT)) Behold the Lamb of God, that TAKES AWAY the sin of the World, it's gone. So now the issue isn't sin anymore, John 16:7-9, but Jesus. The only sin that can condemn a person now it the one that the Holy Spirit is convicting the World of, which is rejecting Jesus as their Savior. The only sin that Christ couldn't and didn't pay for is the sin of rejection. WOW, what a plan, and God the Father even has to reveal this to us! We that know this plan can't praise Him enough, Hallelujah what a savior! God is not willing that any should parish but that all would come to a change of mind about His Son Jesus the Christ. My two cents worth, CDBJ | ||||||
3 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Morant61 | 18901 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! I would say it is worth more than two cents! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | CDBJ | 18919 | ||
Yes, that was only MY two cents worth, but it cost God the most precious thing He had, the life of His only unique Dear Son, and I love Him more and more. CDBJ | ||||||