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1 | Doctrine of Election, Yes or No? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18151 | ||
Dear Kiss, I re-post this for your consideration. This is in contrast to Brother Bill's answer. In the meantime, I'll try to find an answer to the charge that election makes us robots, and I'll leave you with this question: How? How does election as explained below imply that we are robots? Peace, Lionstrong. And welcome to the Forum!!! What does Bible teach on election? Answer Bible general CalvinsticSouthernBaptist Mon 04/2/01, 5:48pm The Bible teaches that election is always unto salvation. As Charles Spurgeon put it, "Salvation is all of grace, damnation is all of sin." Knowing before the foundation of the world that man would fall in the Garden and then be totally unable to contribute to his own salvation from sin, God determined to save a remnant of fallen humanity. These He chose, or elected, in Christ, a multitude too great for any man to number, to spend eternity with Him. These He sent His Son to die for on the cross as their substitute and pay the total penalty for their sins(God being just He can never ask for payment for these sins a second time). In time, these hear the Word of God and the Holy Spirit gives them a new nature through the new birth, and they immediately respond with repentance toward God and faith in Jesus Christ. Their salvation is started by God and they are kept by God in a saved state and will persevere in holiness until they are before the throne of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Some Scripture references: John 6:44(human inability), Ephesians 1:3-14(God choosing), 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14(God's choice and calling), John 17:2(Christ gives eternal life to God's elect), Acts 13:48(ordained to believe), John 10:15(Christ's death on behalf of His sheep), Mark 14:24(Christ died for many - His elect), John 3:5-8(the new birth by the Holy Spirit), Acts 20:21(man's immediate response to the new birth), John 10:27-30(eternal life guaranteed for Christ's sheep), Romans 8:31-39(eternal life guaranteed for God's elect), Romans 8:28-30(the golden chain of God's grace). |
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2 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 18244 | ||
Lionstrong, Your post says essentially that Christ died only for the 'elect' - 'these He sent His Son to die for...' In contrast :), then how do you reconcile the fact that: 1) 'God so loved THE WORLD that He sent His only begotten Son' - John3:16? 2)'God was in Christ reconciling THE WORLD to Himself, not counting THEIR (the world's) trespasses against them' - 1 Cor 5:19? 3) John said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, which takes away the sins of THE WORLD" - John 1:29? 4) Christ came to save SINNERS not 'just the elect' - 1 Tim 1:15? 5)'And He Himself is the propitiation for our (the believers') sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the WHOLE WORLD' - 1 John 2:2? How does your view understand these passages as applying only to the elect? I agree that God does know who will and will not be saved. But we cannot, and should not try to enter into this. The same sun that melts wax hardens clay. No offense, Lionstrong, but what CalvinisticSouthernBaptist says doesn't mean diddly-squat (sorry, no verse ref for this). Our standard is the Word of God - alone. Isn't it? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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3 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Reformer Joe | 18248 | ||
Bill: This Calvinist would be happy to debate limited atonement with you, but that subject has been addressed quite thoroughly on here. Try typing "Christ and elect" or "limited atonement" in the search box, and you will find a plethora of posts from every perspective! --Joe! |
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4 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 18251 | ||
Dear Joe, this is not intended to be an insult. Please do not take it as such. It is my merely my point of view. First, my question was for Lionstrong. Though, obviously, anyone can answer questions here (this is a forum, I understand that), I would appreciate hearing from Lionstrong because my questions were in response to what he said. Secondly, I am not here to debate Calvinism, Armenism or any other ism. I want to stay with what the Word of God says. If I have opinions on the interpretation, I frequently state it as such. Thirdly, Joe, I would prefer to not debate with you and I ask that you honor that. If you see that I have grossly misinterpreted a scripture or a passage then feel free to correct me with other SCRIPTURE. I will read your responses. And if your answers are scripture, I will, obviously, consider them. But if they start, Calvinism says...then don't waste your time typing. But I will not debate with you for my own personal reasons that I will not print here. This is my choice for the sake of unity and peace. Please respect that. Your 'weaker brother' in Christ, Bill Mc |
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5 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Reformer Joe | 18254 | ||
Bill: 1. I am sure that Lionstrong will provide his answer here, or else he will direct you to the same thread that I did, where you will find a whole host of Bible verses by me and Lionstrong which support the biblical view of election. My response does not prevent him from answering. I merely wanted people such as yourself to follow the guidelines of this forum to "look before asking." This is a public bulletin board, not a medium for private communication. That is what e-mail is for. 2. As long as you make assertions which I hold to be unbiblical, I will continue to correct you with SCRIPTURE, as I did recently in another thread with you. Your response to SCRIPTURE there, however, was to basically say "I am done talking." How is that "considering"? 3. I must respect the whole counsel of God more than your perceived right to write anything that you want without a response from those who will disagree with you. --Joe! |
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6 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 18255 | ||
Joe, this exactly what I mean. You take what someone says and you twist it: Here is what I said: "If you see that I have grossly misinterpreted a scripture or a passage then feel free to correct me with other SCRIPTURE." What you heard or wanted to hear was that I have a 'perceived right to write anything that you want without a response from those who will disagree with you.' This is exactly why I will not debate with you. You may claim to respect the whole counsel of God but you certainly do not respect those who would disagree with your point of view. If you did, you would not twist what they say or make self-righteous remarks like "If you hold with everything that I hold to, we can be one." Jesus had many things to say to those who were self-righteous. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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