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1 | Lionstrong, this is not universalism. | Eph 3:6 | Reformer Joe | 19018 | ||
Tim: I am not supralapsarian. For those reading who aren't familiar with this term, supralapsarianism holds that: 1. God, out of his own wise counsel, elected a specific group of individuals to eternal life, not based on any merit or inherent superiority of those individuals (Ephesians 1:11 -- a view held by all who called themselves Reformed) 2. God out of His own wise counsel, elected the rest of humanity to reprobation (i.e. Hell), before taking into account the Fall. In other words, God is ACTIVE in keeping the non-elect out of Heaven. I do not hold to supralapsarianism, because the main idea behind it is that men are damned based on God's wise counsel rather than on their inherent sinfulness. Humans do not go to Hell because God didn't choose them. Humans go to Hell because they are by nature children of wrath who rebel against a holy God. Therefore, I lean toward infralapsarianism, which holds that our condemnation was justly earned by humanity (although foreknown and permitted by God), while salvation is for those whom he chose to rescue out of the position that we were in. The "default position" is condemnation for all of us; God just "flicks the switch" on the elect to salvation (to put it very crudely). --Joe! |
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2 | Lionstrong, this is not universalism. | Eph 3:6 | Morant61 | 19022 | ||
Greetings Joe! Thanks for the clarification! I guess my view would be closer to a modified 'Sublapsarianism.' Again, for those who are not familiar with this term, it says that God's decrees were made in the following order: 1) The decree to create human beings. 2) The decree to permit the fall. 3) The decree to provide salvation sufficent for all. 4) The decree to save some and reprobate others. Of course, I would modify 4) to say something like: 4) The decree to elect those who respond it faith. I am not conviced of the value of these terms, since they can only be implied from Scripture. However, they are helpful in terms of understanding a person's worldview. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Lionstrong, this is not universalism. | Eph 3:6 | Reformer Joe | 19024 | ||
Tim: Sounds about as classically Arminian as you can get! Phil Johnson of Grace to You (John MacArthur's ministry) casts Arminianism in almost exactly the same terms that you do, but he defines my view as "sublapsarianism," making it synonymous with infralapsarianism. I would encourage everyone on the forum to read an article by him to see where they stand on this whole issue. Even though he seems to share my position, he is very fair in categorizing the different views. To get this link, you will have to replace the [TILDE] in the address with the little sqiggly thing that often goes over the "n" in Spanish. Silly studybibleforum.com won't let us type it in our text: http://www.gty.org/[TILDE]phil/articles/sup_infr.htm Thanks again for making me think! --Joe! |
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4 | Lionstrong, this is not universalism. | Eph 3:6 | Morant61 | 19039 | ||
Greetings Joe! Intresting site! I was surprised once to find that Hank Hanagraaf held to a view similar to mine. I haven't checked out his web site about it, but I did hear it on his radio program once. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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