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1 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | DAW | 159292 | ||
Included in the list of Gifts of the Spirit in 1 Cor 12 is the "gifts of healing"which is in the context of when the Body meets.Is this different from the prayer of faith as mentioned in James 5:15 and different again from Jesus promise of healing in Mk 16:18?When for example we read of Philip healing many people in Samaria (Acts 8)is this the Gift of Healing operating or is it the prayer of faith in Jesus Name? | ||||||
2 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | mark d seyler | 159400 | ||
Hi DAW, When you look at the gifts and their operations in 1 Cor 12, 14, and Romans 12, the underlying thought is that they are subject to the person to whom that particular gift is given. Paul says this specifically of the gift of prophecy, in 1 Cor 14:32. This is implied of the gift of tongues throughout this chapter, as Paul counsels when and when not to use that gift. This is also implied in ch. 12, esp. vs. 25, as Paul tells us to not be divided, but to have the same care for each other as the parts of our own bodies have for each other. Just as the foot carries the whole body where it wants to go, let the adminstrator administrate for the benefit of the whole body, and let each of us use our gifts serving others, without letting pride, or anything else, divide us. So these gifts are volitional, in that the recipient of the gift can either use or not use it, according to their choice. Healing is treated differently in the New Testament than the other gifts. No other gift of the Spirit is refered to as plural, "gifts of healings", as if each healing is a separate gift from the Spirit. Now to look at the prayer of faith. James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. This is making petition to the Lord, "and the Lord will raise him up." This would be a work done directly by God, responding to the request of a faithful one, and would not be the same as the spiritual gift, which is subject to the will of the recipient of that gift. In Mark 16:18, we are not told the mechanism, just that "they will lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." If I were to guess, I would equate this with the gifts of healings, since the emphasis seems to be on the what the believers will do. The gifts of the Spirit are for the ministry to the body of Christ, being used, as you said, within the body (although not exclusively - see 1 Cor 14:24), while Phillip, in Acts 8, ministered to non-believers, as he cast out demons. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of the "miracles which he (Phillip) did." So I do not know how I would classify the miracles done by Phillip. Truly, it is all from God. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | Makarios | 159429 | ||
Greetings Mark and DAW, There is actually a valid point that BradK and I have made in regards to this "gift of healing" spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12:9 and whether or not that gift is available today. What I quoted loosely from at first, I now quote in full: "12:9 healings.. A temporary sign gift used by Christ (Matt. 8:16,17), the apostles (Matt. 10:1), the seventy (Luke 10:1), and a few associates of the apostles, such as Philip (Acts 8:5-7). This ability was identified as a gift belonging to the apostles (cf. 2 Cor. 12:12). Although Christians today do not have the gift of healings, God certainly still hears and answers the faithful prayers of His children (see James 5:13-16). Some people feel that healing should be common and expected in every era, but this is not the case. Physical healings are very rare throughout the OT record. Only a few are recorded. There was never a time before the coming of Christ when healings were common. Only in His lifetime and that of His apostles was there a veritable explosion of healing. This was due to the unique need to accredit the Messiah and to authenticate the first miracles of the gospel. Jesus and His apostles temporarily banished disease from Palestine, but that was the most monumental era of redemptive history and called for such authentication. To normalize healing would be to normalize the arrival of the Savior. This gift belonged to the sign gifts for that era only. The gift of healings were never used solely for bringing people physical health. Paul was sick but never healed himself or asked another human to heal him. His friend Epaphroditus was near death (Phil. 2:27), and Paul did not heal him. God intervened. When Timothy was sick, Paul did not heal him, but told him to take some wine (1 Tim. 5:23). Paul left Trophimus "sick at Miletus" (2 Tim. 4:20). Healings were not the everyday norm in Paul's ministry, but did occur when he entered a new region, e.g., Malta, where the gospel and its preacher needed authentication (see Acts 28:8,9). That healing was the first mention of healing since the lame man was healed in Lystra (Acts 14:9) in connection with the arrival of Paul and the gospel there. Prior to that, the nearest healing was by Peter in Acts 9:34, and the resurrection of Tabitha in 9:41, so that people would believe the gospel Peter preached (9:42)." (1) In addition, Hebrews 2:3-4 also states that these supernatural powers of healing demonstrated by Jesus and by His apostles were the Father's divine confirmation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, His Son. The purpose for these miracles of healing was to authenticate the message of Christ. That is why you do not see these deeds being performed in the church today. Blessings to you, Makarios (1) The MacArthur Study Bible, pgs. 1747,1748, 1997 Word Publishing. |
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4 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | mark d seyler | 159503 | ||
Hi Makarios, I understand that the view you have presented is held by a great many people. I have simply posted an alternate view that is also held by a great many people, and that has a solid scriptural foundation, as I presented. I understood that not all sick people are healed, nor were they, not even during Jesus' ministry. Consider the lame man that lay at the Beautiful Gate. How many times must Jesus have passed him by? Certainly the gifts of healings, wisdom, knowledge, and the others worked through Jesus like they did no other before or since. And certainly God used these to authenticate His and the apostles', and other's ministries. But that does not in and of itself negate the possibility that these gifts of the Spirit, given as the Holy Spirit wills, may be given today. Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? I simply do not see anything in the Bible that actually says these gifts end before the full maturing of the body of Christ. Makarios, I still do see these works of healing being performed in the church today. I'm not talking about Benny Hinn, or his ilk. I'm talking about the real deal. Sometimes it's God's will to heal, and sometimes He uses human agents. Anyway, like I say, I'm just sharing to other view, held by many. Love in Christ, Mark |
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5 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | Makarios | 159542 | ||
Greetings Mark! I appreciate your response, dear Brother, and I appreciate the patience that you have shown with me in presenting your arguments. However, I still disagree. :-) If you were in the 1st Century A.D., how would you know that the church in 2005 A.D. would largely be devoid of the gift of healings or, if you will, laying on of hands? You simply could not know, unless you were given special revelation from God. Therefore, I can completely see how Paul would write 1 Cor. 12:9 to the Corinthian church and include the gift of healings in his passage, because that gift was in effect at that time! But today, you do not largely see this gift of healings, or laying on of hands, widely exhibited.. Why is that? You know my friend, I wish that I could believe as you do, that the gift of healings exists today. If that were so, then I could empty out every single hospital, heal every disease, take away every infirmity, and help to bless every single third world nation who is struggling with death and disease as we speak. But I honestly confess that I do not have this gift of healing, and there is very little that happens when I lay my hand on another person. :-) The only thing that I can do is to pray for sick people, so that God will intervene and heal them. And if they do indeed get well and are healed, then was the healing due to my part? No, it was God who did all the healing, even though I prayed for the person to be healed. Yes, I believe that since we do not see the gift of healing being widely exhibited today, that DOES negate the possibility that this particular gift is given out freely by the Holy Spirit. You may not see anything in Scripture that says that these gifts end after the 1st Century A.D., but by all factual evidence and truth, this gift has left us humans, only to be governed by the will of God through the Holy Spirit. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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6 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | mark d seyler | 159572 | ||
Hi Makarios, As I said, I know that there are a great many that believe as you do, and I certainly respect your right to be one of them. :-) Since the Bible was written by God and not by man, certainly God would know whether or not 21st century man needed instruction in the spiritual gifts, wouldn't He? Would He set out to confuse us, by telling us these things would be, and by giving examples of people using them, and by instructing us in the proper use, without telling us that they weren't actually for us? I have the same wish as you, my friend! What a ministry that would be to systematically empty the hospitals! But only as the Lord wills. I see the gift of healing as a one time use, and that is why it is called "gifts of healings". Not that a person has the ability to lay hands on everyone and anyone, or, as Benny Hinn says "everyone who is even standing close to me cannot help but be touched by the power of God" - which is absurd for a mere man to say - but that God chooses specific times to act towards specific people. Always it is God that does the healing, whether through "natural" means, by answer to pray, by laying on of hands, annointing with oil, or whatever it may be. If you do not believe that God works through gifts of healings today, does it then surprise you that nothing happens when you lay hands on another? Now, certainly, I do not know whether God wishes to work through you in this way or not. I simply always encourage each to be open to the leading of the Lord, and follow in faith wherever He may lead. :-) But I do have one last question for you. You have heard from myself, Tim, perhaps others of healings that God has done. Truly, this is simply experiential, and does not carry the same weight as the Word of God, although it does not surprise me to see, because it is what the Word teaches. But by the same token, when you say that the fact thay you do not see this gift in operation negates the possibility that this gift is given as the Holy Spirit wills, is this not also pitting experience against the Word of God? That even though the Bible does not say these gifts end with the "apostolic age", we know they must because experience tells us so? I just offer this as some food for thought. As I said before, and I know you agree, all healing comes from God, in His time, in His way, and so the glory is His alone. God bless you! Love in Christ, Mark |
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7 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | Makarios | 159705 | ||
Greetings Mark, I personally know that God continues to heal people today. But I believe that He heals through the Holy Spirit, not through anyone that has the gift of healings. It is not due to any kind of "unbelief" that I do not have the gift of healings. I simply and truthfully do not have the gift, as exhibited by Christ and the apostles. I can pray for people to get well, but I do not have the gift. It is your position that is arguing and puts so much weight in support of experience, not mine, since I have no such experience as you that this gift exists today. Here is some food for thought: let us examine the gift of healings as Christ and the apostles administered it, and see if that same gift truly exists in this present day and age. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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8 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | Morant61 | 159752 | ||
Greetings Makarios! The phrase 'gifts of healing' only occurs three times in Scripture. 1 Cor. 12:9 - "to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit," 1 Cor. 12:28 - "And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues." 1 Cor. 12:30 - "Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" These verses do not say that only apostles can have the gift. These verses do not say that this gift will end. These verses do describe how the gift functions - i.e. through laying on of hands, prayer, speaking a word, ect.... All that we can really say from these verses is that 'gifts of healing' are spiritual gifts, that they are distributed to each as God wills, that no everyone has this gift, and that these gifts are appointed by God in the church. My contention all along has simply been that much that is being taught about spiritual gifts goes beyond what Scripture actually says about them. :-) If anyone can show me in Scripture where these gifts are called temporary and are limited only to the apostles, I will gladly change my position. Until then, I will believe that they are for the church. p.s. - I fully agree with you my friend that there is no lack of faith on your part. :-) We simply see this issue differently. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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