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1 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | 00123 | 233008 | ||
Don't lose yourself. This is a Bible forum where we are supposed to speak strictly from the Bible, not from guesswork or common sense. As I said before, I found no verse directly saying that Jesus drank wine or that the sacraments used wine in the early church. Did you? | ||||||
2 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | DocTrinsograce | 233010 | ||
Dear 00123, What you are espousing in terms of Biblical interpretation is called the "argument from silence." It is an approach that is fraught with pitfalls and difficulties. It certainly is not something on which one would build conclusions -- and most definitely not doctrine. We do have verses like Matthew 26:29 (cf Luke 22:18) that assert that Christ drank wine. Whether we would recognize it for what we contemporaries think is wine, I cannot say. Clearly fermentation in most foods is unpreventable without immediate consumption or refrigeration. Regardless, if we want to handle the Word properly, we ought not stand too firmly on one side or the other of an issue expecting it to support our viewpoint. As John Calvin often put it -- and I paraphrase -- "Beyond this Scripture does not speak, therefore I must not." In Him, Doc |
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3 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | 00123 | 233011 | ||
"Beyond this Scripture does not speak, therefore I must not" is very good. I like and accept it. Then, how come can you believe Matthew 26:29 (cf Luke 22:18) means that Christ drank wine? The verses simply mention "drink of the fruit of the vine." Is it sure that to drink of the fruit of the vine is to drink wine? | ||||||
4 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | DocTrinsograce | 233012 | ||
Sounds like it to me. "When the plain sense makes good sense seek no other sense." | ||||||
5 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | 00123 | 233013 | ||
On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined. (Isaiah 25:6 ESV) When we see the verse above, do we have to expect drinking wine (aged wine, which I guess truly alcoholic wine) with the Lord at the feast, for example, for the marriage of the Lamb? If so, as I don't drink at all, I guess I might be drunken very very badly by the aged wine, and I wonder if that is acceptable. |
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6 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | Beja | 233014 | ||
00123, Given your response to my post 232996, I'm a little surprised at your reasoning here. Wouldn't it be safe to say that your mind is quite resolved on this issue? I have always found that some of the worst fights happen on this forum when people ask questions for which they are already pursuaded on a particular view. It ends up being nothing but bait for an arguement, a way to get the forum onto the topic desired. I don't accuse you of intending such, but it seems this thread is close to following the pattern. And since it has a track record of being a very unedifying pattern I considered it worth pointing out to the participants. Of course you are all big boys/girls and can make up your own mind. God bless. In Christ, Beja |
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7 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | 00123 | 233015 | ||
Beja, Sorry, but I didn't respond to your post 232996. So, I don't know what made you say so. You wrote, "Wouldn't it be safe to say that your mind is quite resolved on this issue?" My answer is respectfully no because although I wanted to hear answers from the scripture brothers and sisters answered from church traditions, common sense, guesswork, or customs of the time. I personally don't drink, but I never pressed you or anyone else also should not drink. I just wanted to know what the Bible teaches. My original question was whether the early church used wine for the communion because to my surprise I didn't find a Bible verse supporting it. Regarding the communion, the Bible mentions "drink the cup of the Lord," but what was the substance in the cup was not explicitly indicated. If that was wine, was it fermented or unfermented? You may say the Bible is silent about it. Then, suddenly, Isaiah 25:6 says the Lord will make a feast of well-aged wine. So, I guess that verse (any similar) might be a big blow to discussion on wine or juice as we will drink alcoholic wine with the Lord. What do you think based on the Scripture? | ||||||
8 | What liquid was in the communion cup? | 1 Cor 11:25 | DocTrinsograce | 233019 | ||
Dear 00123, Just an aside: When a question is asked that doesn't have an explicit scriptural answer, we render up our traditions and personal observations -- that is consistent with the Terms of Use, as long as we are open about our own doctrinal distinctives. Keep in mind that nothing in the Bible means something differently than it originally meant. With a sound historical-grammatical interpretation we start out with the author and audience, understanding the historical and cultural context, and rightly derive meaning from the language. The reason that this whole question is even asked (about wine vs juice) is because of the heavy influence of the Temperance movement in our own historical/cultural context. We can't stuff those presuppositions back into the Scriptures (that's called eisegesis) -- they were never there. I am Historic Baptist. Our churches only use the juice. One thing I've appreciated about my Presbyterian brethren, was when they have the wine, they also include juice for those who "by reason of conscience" would rather not drink the wine. Personally, I do not drink predominantly because I find that it has an adverse effect on my moral judgment. It is hard enough to walk uprightly without some drink/drug/food that is deleterious to the effort. Sorry if we've been a bit facetious about our discussion. Some questions just keep surfacing over the years -- perhaps the repetition breeds a kind of flippancy. No disrespect is intended towards any particular individual. In Him, Doc |
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