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1 | Is the quote presumptuous? | John 6:44 | knucklehead | 123546 | ||
Brad: John 3:36 states: "And he who believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Are you saying that such reliance cannot cease for someone "saved." This is to me the reason why the apostles and older men repeatedly counseled the first century Christians: Don't loose your faith and thus loose your salvation! "Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." (Heb 11:6) MUST believe! James said it stronger: "But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord." Faith can be lost - one can drift away or one can shipwreck his faith through recklessness, and if and when it ever happens, that one is in serious spiritual danger. Keep asking God for the fruit of his spirit, including faith, and act in harmony with those prayers as we feed on His word and apply his perfect counsel in our daily life and he will add to our supply of this vital quality. When people talk about someone that is a "Christian" but has returned to his vomit (old worldly ways), they will often say to the effect: I guess he thought he was saved but really wasn't. Can we really be so sure about ourselves? If we behave similarly, will it not belie our claim of salvation? Again I quote Paul: "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" |
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2 | Is the quote presumptuous? | John 6:44 | BradK | 123551 | ||
knucklehead, No, I don't believe that John 3:36 is a caution against losing one's salvation. It is simply denoting that eternal life is based upon "belief" in the Son and that "unbelief", wrath or eternal separation from God. I think you're reading too much into the text:-) In answer to your query "Are you saying that such reliance cannot cease for someone "saved?" I'm not saying so much that someone's reliance could not cease, but rather what examples can you provide to demonstate that this has happened? "Let me ask you this: At what point then is one saved, and conversely at what point does someone lose their salvation? (cf Tit. 3:5) By the way, I DO BELIEVE! I have placed my faith in the One who is faithful, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is on Him that my eternity rests and Him alone. The more fruitful disposition of this debate might be better left to the "Search" function of this Forum. I'm thoroughly convinced that your arguments will not cause me to change my beliefs at this point:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Is the quote presumptuous? | John 6:44 | knucklehead | 123559 | ||
In answer I quote Titus 3:10,11: "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned." To what will such a "saved" brother be condemned? Paul told the Phillipians: "I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead." Later as Paul's death appeared close he says he did lay hold of it. (Couldn't find the ref. just now.) Let me know what you think. |
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4 | Is the quote presumptuous? | John 6:44 | BradK | 123562 | ||
knucklehead, I think we're playing Ping-Pong here:-) We really need to define terms and answer SPECIFIC questions before I continue on in and endless debate! Proof-texting is not my idea of a fruitful discussion. Your serve! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Why need of endurance? | John 6:44 | knucklehead | 123712 | ||
Why does Paul preach endurance if his audience is saved completely with no prospect of losing such status? | ||||||
6 | Why need of endurance? | John 6:44 | justme | 123753 | ||
Knuckelhead: I have to wonder why you choose such a name. Adding some food for thought I offer the following. We are saved, but the word implys a continual action. We are being saved. If I say to you I an going to go to California, and will arrive on a certian day, and I start the trip, then I am on my to Califorina. I am not in California yet, I an on my way. If I endure to the end of my travel I can say I made it to California. As long as I am on my way I an bound for California I am on my way. Christians are to endure and stay the couse keeping my eyes fixed on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the promise that I am sealed and my genuine faith in Jesus assures me I will be saved, and I am being constantle saved. There is no way to become lost when I am a genuine born again believer, trusting in, abiding in Jesus Christ. Anyone who does not endure, abide, enter into relationship with jesus Christ is not saved. Proof of ones salvation is our endurance. Many are they who say Jesus is their Lord, infact are only playing at being a follower of Jesus. I once heard this and it wise to repeat. Faith that faulters had a flaw from the first. Yes I believe in eternal security with no room for doubts. I also know that only Jesus know for sure those who belong genuinely to Him. Endurance is part of Christ's keeping power of our souls, as our responsibility is to grow and know Him and abiding in Him. To those who would say this is an easy task to explain endurance or eternal security, I would caution that this has been a longly debated subject that has divided Christians from fellowship, caused fights and caused many church splits. Better by far that each of us concentrate on becoming so close to Jesus, that our lives so reflect the presents of Christ, that there can be no doubt we are abiding and residing completly in Christ. With such a walk in Christ there is no reason to even bring up endurance or eternal security. What are your thoughts? justme |
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7 | Why need of endurance? | John 6:44 | knucklehead | 123986 | ||
Justme: "Faith that faulters had a flaw from the first." Logically then, one can only truly say he's not flawed when he has proven faultless. Proverbs 28:18: "He that is walking faultless will be saved, but he that is made crooked in [his] ways will fall at once." See Revelation 3:21,22 for Jesus admonition. Your last paragraph is well-taken. Take care. |
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