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1 | "Born-again Christian" redundant? | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 32939 | ||
Zach, I think the context of John 3 makes it clear that Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus about baptism, because immediately after the discussion John 3:22 says "After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized." In this immediate context it is hard to see how Jesus was speaking of anything else. That Jesus immediately thereafter went with his disciples and baptized is no mere coincidence and is very significant to the understanding of John 3:3-5. Emmaus |
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2 | "Born-again Christian" redundant? | John 3:3 | Hank | 32940 | ||
But, but, but, kind friend Emmaus, if Jesus is speaking of baptism in John 3:5, He is making water baptism a condition of salvation, something that is not taught in Scripture. --Hank | ||||||
3 | "Born-again Christian" redundant? | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 32966 | ||
Hank, Good to hear from you. I would rather say that grace is a condition of salvation. This is where we would differ: I believe that scripture does teach that baptism is the ordinary means by which we receive saving or sanctifying grace. And I believe that John 3 is where that is taught. Which is not to say that God is limited by baptism. Only that it is the ordinary and primary means by which we are instructed to enter into Christ, and his grace and salvation. God may save in other extraordinary ways through Jesus but this is the ordinary (I wonder if you see ordinance in this) way we are instructed to go. I realize we will disagree here. It is also a difference in our theology. You consider baptism an ordinance and I believe it to be a sacrament instituted by Christ through which God bestows his grace. The other extraordinary ways would fit into your earlier observations. I would call such situations baptism of desire or baptism of blood. The good thief would fall into such a category or one who died a martyr professing Christ but being deprived of the opportunity to be baptised. I am merely stating my beliefs here. I do not want to enter into a World War III debate or refight the reformation with anyone. This last comment was not for you Hank, with whom I have always had polite disagreements as well as found common ground. Emmaus Emmaus deprived of the oppourtunity for baptism. |
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4 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | zach† | 33276 | ||
Emmanus; I would just like to ask it you believe in baptismal regeneration? | ||||||
5 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 33284 | ||
Zach, Yes, I believe God has bound grace to the sacrament of Baptism. But God himself is not bound or restricted by his sacraments. We however are bound to obedience and to receive and administer his sacraments as he commanded. Titus 3:4-8 4: but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5: he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, 6: which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7: so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life. 8: The saying is sure. ... John3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 1 Peter 3:21 21: Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Emmaus |
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6 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | Searcher56 | 33353 | ||
Scripture ... John 3:5. Titus 3:4-8, 1 Peter 3:21 ... Titus 3:5 is about the internal washing by one who is eternal. John 3:5 likewise is the internal washing. 1 Peter 3:21 shows that batpism is a symbol of His death and His death does save us. Remember that Noah and family didn't get wet, those who died did. |
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7 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 33359 | ||
Searcher, That is your interpretation and your tradition's interpretation. I do not believe that the external and internal washing are mutually exclusive, but in fact work together even as Jesus was both God and man. The kind of sacramental theology I hold is incarnational. That is to say, Christ by his incarnation and saving work has redeemed all creation physical and spiritual and uses them even as he did in his ministry to effect cures: e.g. Mark 8:22-24 22: And they came to Beth-sa'ida. And some people brought to him a blind man, and begged him to touch him. 23: And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the village; and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands upon him, he asked him, "Do you see anything?" 24: And he looked up and said, "I see men; but they look like trees, walking." 25: Then again he laid his hands upon his eyes; and he looked intently and was restored, and saw everything clearly. Mark 7:32-34 32: And they brought to him a man who was deaf and had an impediment in his speech; and they besought him to lay his hand upon him. 33: And taking him aside from the multitude privately, he put his fingers into his ears, and he spat and touched his tongue; 34: and looking up to heaven, he sighed, and said to him, "Eph'phatha," that is, "Be opened." 35: And his ears were opened, his tongue was released, and he spoke plainly. God does not have to use the physical to effect our physical or spiritual healing, neither did he have to become man to save us. But he did. Emmaus |
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