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1 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11241 | ||
Hello again, and thank you for your reply! How would you understand Romans 9:6 that says "not all are Israel who are descended from Israel." We as Gentiles are spiritual Israel. God loved Jacob and hated Esau before either had done anything good or bad, in order that GOD'S purpose according to election might stand, not because of either of their work's (choice, choose, etc... are verbs, and verbs show action), but because of HIM who calls.(Romans 9:11-13) According to Romans 9:6-29, it's God's decision.I believe all who believe will be saved also, but who will believe? Romans 3:10 and 11 says "there is none righteous, no not one; There is none who understands, There is NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD." Does "none" mean none? Also, belief is a work, but salvation is not of works, but belief is not a work of man, it is a work of God. Look at John 6:29: "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." Did Esau have a way out, Scriptures says God hated him before he had done any good or bad and that it was God's choice, not Esau's. Where does Scripture say that all are called in the context of "all individuals"? Now speaking of Gentiles, there are some who are children of the promise, and Acts 13:48 very clearly says how they believed. Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as HAD BEEN APPOINTED (past tense) to eternal life believed." It doesn't say "as many as believed were appointed to eternal life", it says "as many as had been appointed." I have a neat little e-mail I wrote to another person on the subject of Romans 9 that I would like to share, but it is way too big for this venue. If you are interested, look at my profile, and send me an e-mail, and I will send it to you. If not, we can continue to talk this way. I'll quit for now, and let you respond to what has been said thus far. Talk to you soon, proorizo. |
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2 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | Makarios | 11287 | ||
Greetings proorizo! I have read your e-mail to Norrie and I have tread this ground before on the Forum. All one would need to do is to look in the Forum's history to see where exactly I stand when concerning the Scriptures that you have cited and the ideas that you are presenting. You have stated, "Where does Scripture say that all are called in the context of "all individuals"? Please re-read 2 Peter 3:9 where it states, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for ALL TO COME TO REPENTANCE." You have led me to believe that you subscribe to the belief that only certain individuals are called to repentance and/or salvation. If this is so, then there are also certain individuals who are called to damnation also. So, I ask you, where in Scripture does it say that certain people are called to eternal damnation? Please also see 1 John 2:2, "and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Doesn't the word "world" mean "world", as in the entire world? I do believe in election. However, that is where I believe that the similarities in our beliefs ends. Your Brother in Christ, Nolan |
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3 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11295 | ||
Hello again Nolan, To see my thought on how 2 Peter 3:9 is taken out of context when used to say that God wants all, but just simply can't do it for some reason or another, all one would have to do is look into the history of the forum and see my response to this to JVH0212, and see that I would ask you to re-read 2 Peter 3:9 in context. Please read what I have writen there, and then we will interact. So, where does Scripture state that some are called to eternal damnation? (Romans 9:22)If "All to repentance" can mean "all are called", I think "fitted to destruction" can mean "called to eternal damnation". Actually, Scripture states that there is none who seeks for God (Romans 3:11), so I ask you, does "none" mean "none"? The word "kosmos" means orderly arrangement, not every single individual. Why does Jesus say "I pray not for the world" in John 17:9, and doesnt John 12:19 say "the world has gone after Him"? Did the "entire world" run after Him? Apparently not because the individual saying this did not run, he watched others run, right? Let the word world mean what it means in context. Who can say they believe the Bible, yet don't believe in election? It is the form of election that has to be addressed. I geuss my question to you would be, "Is God in bondage to man's will?" Thanks again for your time. Your brother in Christ, proorizo |
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