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1 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | C.S.M. | 156875 | ||
Hi Bows44, They were born again in John 20:22 when Jesus breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Ghost:" This was after the resurrection of Chirst, the same day at evening John 20:19. I Cor 12:13 For by one (Holy)Spirit we are all baptized into one body, wherher we be Jews or Gentiles..we have been all made to drink into one Spirit. When God reveals Jesus to a sinner, and that sinner receives Jesus as their savior, the Holy Spirit then baptizes them (or puts them) into the body of Christ. No, I do not believe receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation or being born again. As I stated in the previous statement, the job of the Holy Spirit as far as a repentant sinner, that takes Jesus as their Lord and Savior from their oppositions to God (i.e. their sins), is to immerse, or baptize them into the body of Christ. We call it being born again, or born from above (or of God). It is also called becoming a NEW CREATURE.. II Cor 5:17 , Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new. Gal 6:15, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a NEW CREATURE. The real you is your spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body....I Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole (human) spirit and (human) soul, and (human) body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. In Strongs Concordance look up the meaning of sanctify to get a fuller meaning of this verse. We know we are human, so before someone says, why did you put human in there its not in the scripture, the other possibilities are angels spirits, devils spirits, etc..so I don't want them to run off over there. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit: The important thing is, did Jesus believe it was necessary? Did Jesus tell them to wait for it, after they had already been born again, or put into the body of Christ? John 20:20 John 1:26-36 tells what God the Father told John the Baptist about the coming Messiah, or Son of God. John and Jesus were cousins, because Mary and Elizabeth were cousins from the natural standpoint. Yet John said, God sent him (John) to baptize with water and that the Messiah was coming. John then made a strange statement, he said ,"I knew him not". Because they were cousins from the natural standpoint, John did know Jesus, they may have gone fishing many times as children, and had family gatherings etc. What John was saying, he didn't know how to identify the Messiah. He was baptizing hundreds of people on a daily basis, as God had instructed him to do, to prepare the way before the Messiah, the Jews were looking for. God gave him a way to be certain he would know the Messiah when he saw him. John 1:33 Upon whom you see the see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost. Who was that, that would baptize with the Holy Ghost? The scripture says it was Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God! John 1:34,36. Water is not the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost is not water! John (and ministers today) baptized with water. Jesus alone, baptizes with the Holy Ghost according to scripture. Jesus called this the "promise of the Father" when he was instructing his disciples to wait at Jerusalem in the scripture. Luke 24:49 Jesus said, "behold, I (Jesus) SEND the PROMISE OF MY FATHER upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, UNTIL you be endued with POWER (from where?) on high (or God the Father)." When did Jesus do this? Acts 1:4 Jesus said, "wait for the PROMISE OF THE FATHER, which you have heard (of who?) me (Jesus). (5) For John truly baptized WITH WATER; but you shall be baptized WITH THE HOLY GHOST not many days hence." That was after they were saved John 20:19, Pentacost was 50 days after the resurrection. The word Pentacost means harvest. What is the church supposed to do? Harvest souls for the kingdom of God! see rest of post...for end of answer |
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2 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156880 | ||
C.S.M., You are the second one I believe, that has stated the following or something very similar: “No, I do not believe receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation or being born again.” I would really like someone to explain that statement to me. How can you see the Kingdom of Heaven without being born again? How can you be born again, regenerated, without the Holy Spirit? Did Christ not state in John 3:3, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." Please explain why the Holy Spirit is not necessary for salvation. WOS |
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3 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | C.S.M. | 156933 | ||
Hi WOS, The Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, he is the one who baptizes a person into the body of Christ. That work of the Holy Spirit is different than the Baptism which Jesus is assigned of God to do, which is to Baptize with the Holy Ghost, himself. Heb 6:2 speaks of the doctrine of baptisms...notice that is plural, not singular. Water baptism, is the baptism of repentance from sin, Mark 1:4, and the Holy Spirit takes that person out of sin and puts them into the body of Christ. I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body... Then as an outward show of an inward change, a person is then baptized with water confessing Jesus is now thier Lord (i.e.supreme authority). That is two baptisms. The third is what John 1:33 and Mark 1:8 says that John the Baptist said of Jesus, God's Son. John 1:33 John speaking of Jesus said, "..he (God the Father) that sent me to baptize with water, the same (God the Father) said unto me, Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he (God the Son or Jesus Christ) which baptizes with the Holy Ghost. Mark 1:1-8 Mark told again what John the Baptist did in baptizing with water and preaching the baptism of "REPENTANCE" FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS....then in (8) said, I indeed have baptized you with WATER: BUT he (Jesus) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost." These are three baptisms spoken of in Heb 6:2. A person starts out a sinner, without Christ, without God in this world Eph 2:12 When they acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, then the Holy Spirit, for their faith and trust in Christ, baptizes that person into the body of Christ, he makes them a new creature "in Christ." II Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15, for by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. I Cor 12:13. Then when we see in scripture that Jesus has been assigned of God the Father to baptize believers with the Holy Ghost and with power, that is the third baptism. John 1:33, 36, Mark 1:6, Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4-4,8, Acts 2:33, Acts 2:4. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all working together in the process of salvation, and empowerment, and if we don't try to put all the scriptures in one basket, shake it up, and pour out confusion we can understand the clear word of God. Instead we are admonsihed to rightly divide the word, II Tim 2:15 so that it will bless all that are empowered to rightly divide the word, and they won't have to be ashamed (before God for not rightly dividing the word). To sum up: There is a baptism of repentance for sinners. They acknowledge and turn from their sins against God, their oppostion to God and his word. There is a baptism into the Body of Christ accomplished by the Holy Spirit. I Cor 12:13 There is a baptsim that only Jesus Christ can do, called the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. John 1:33, Mark 1:8, Isa 44:3, Joel 2:28, Acts 2:4, Acts 10:45-46, Acts 11:15, Acts 2:16-18. This is for signs, wonders, and miracles, to be worked in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Acts 4:24-31..God never changes, his word doesn't pass away..it is up to the church to get before God and find out what they are to do with what God has given for the church to do. The church is supposed to be doing what the believers in acts were doing. Because Jesus said,Teach them (believers) to observe (or do) ALL THINGS whatsoever I have commanded you:...the disciples went on to be called Apostles, and the command of Jesus still stands, we are to do the works Jesus taught them to do. Search the scriptures, see what Jesus taught them to do, then just do it. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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4 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | BradK | 156936 | ||
Hi CSM, While I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it, I must respectfully disagree. The 2 main challenges I see are these: 1. You have a little "math problem", when Eph. 4:5 says: "...one Lord, one faith, one baptism," You say 2, scripture says there is only 1! I do not see two separate baptisms being offered or needing to be sought by the believer. 1 Cor. 12:13 is very clear- you said so yourself! "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit." How is there now a need for a "second baptism?" Acts 1:5 sets the stage for the transition into the Baptism by the Holy Spirit. 2. You also, by default negate the all-sufficiency of Christ for the believer by stressing that there is more to be sought! Colossians 2:10 says ,"and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;" So, if I'm not really complete in Him until I get the "baptism of the Holy Spirit- which I already have by 1 Cor. 12:13- then Christ is not wholly adequate! He is indeed! I am completely sufficient, "in Christ". Lastly, if the believer is to follow your prescription from Acts, then it is the blueprint for the Church to follow! I do not believe that Acts primary focus, i.e. purpose ,is to provide doctrine for the Church. It is a narrative that provides a bridge between the Gospels and the Epistles! We have Romans as the NT theology for the Church. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Bows44 | 156938 | ||
Hi BradK, Doesn't Heb 6:1-2 talk about washings (plural)? What are these washings, if not baptisms? Is water baptism the only baptism? Isn't there also a baptism with fire and the Holy Spirit that is different? How does this statement.... Lastly, if the believer is to follow your prescription from Acts, then it is the blueprint for the Church to follow! I do not believe that Acts primary focus, i.e. purpose ,is to provide doctrine for the Church. It is a narrative that provides a bridge between the Gospels and the Epistles! We have Romans as the NT theology for the Church. ....agree with the following scripture? 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Bows44 |
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6 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | BradK | 156940 | ||
Hi Bows, I already addressed the issue in what I thought were clear terms:-) 2 Tim. 3:16 is not at issue as I'm not claiming any of the Bible as not being inspired. Please don't hear what I'm not saying:-)At issue is scripture within its' context! With that said, on your first point: Again, is 1, 1 or is it 2? You need to decide. How many baptisms do we have today? 1 Cor. 12:13 make this abundantly clear in my mind. As to the second point: Yes, you will find the references to a Baptism of the Holy Spirit in the Gospels and Acts! You would need to explain how Paul, who wrote the majority of NT Epistles (13) and deals extensively with DOCTRINE ( hence Romans, the theology of the NT), fail to mention or even suggest the need to be baptized again by "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit"? He teaches 1 Cor. 12:13 and Eph. 4:5 most certainly. But there is absolutely no mention in his writings of any second "Baptism of the Holy Spirit". I think a final point to be addressed is that of Eph. 1:3, where we are told the we (as believers)"... have been blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing in the heavenlies, in Christ." Note that he doesn't say some, or many, but EVERY. So, my question would then be, "what spiritual blessing are we missing or in need of?" Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Bows44 | 156949 | ||
Hi BradK, In regards to your comment: Yes, you will find the references to a Baptism of the Holy Spirit in the Gospels and Acts! You would need to explain how Paul, who wrote the majority of NT Epistles (13) and deals extensively with DOCTRINE ( hence Romans, the theology of the NT), fail to mention or even suggest the need to be baptized again by "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit"? He teaches 1 Cor. 12:13 and Eph. 4:5 most certainly. But there is absolutely no mention in his writings of any second "Baptism of the Holy Spirit So you are saying that only the Pauline Epistles teach Doctrine? Also, I don't think it is my place to try to explain Paul's actions or lack of whatever the case may be. I don't know him personally and can't even begin to think I could read his mind or judge his motives. As to whether or not he teaches about this subject, I would have to research that to verify if it is true or not. Speaking the truth in love, Bows44 |
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8 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | BradK | 156964 | ||
Hello Bows, Again, please don't hear what I'm not saying! I did not say that only the Pauline Epistles teach doctrine! However- and I will leave it said at this- we must be careful to understand the purpose, i.e. focus of each book of the Bible including Acts. If you think Acts is the doctrinal blueprint for the Church, then fine. I don't. Please do research what I've said. By all means, test what I said against the Word of God! I don't expect that you'd take my word for anything:-( However, please do hear this: I do not handle the Word of God deceitfully, carelessly, or take it lightly! I approach His precious Word with the utmost reverence! Additionally, I would not knowingly toss about a vain speculation pertaining to the Word without having some semblance of knowledge about which I spoke! It's been good chatting with you:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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