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1 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | flinkywood | 71509 | ||
Truthfinder, The JWs, for reasons unclear, having parsed Jesus of His deity, offer a best stab at His true identity: "Jesus Christ, whom we understand from the scriptures to be Michael, the archangel..." -Watchtower, 2-15-79, p.31- The NWT mentions Michael 5 times as 1)"one of the foremost princes..." (Dan 10.13); 2)"the prince of Daniel's people..." (Dan 10.21); 3) "the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel's] people" (Dan 12.1); 4) "the archangel who had a difference with the devil and was disputing about Moses' body" but "did not dare to bring a judgement against him in abusive terms" (Jude 9); and 5) an actor in Heaven's conflict when "Michael and his angels battled with the dragon" (Rev. 12.7) Now, which of these verses says that Michael is Jesus Christ? Truthfinder, can you tackle this simple question without a complicated Watchtower argument? Can you give an answer a child would understand? God Himself entered His creation and died for our sins. He did this from love. He didn't send some proxy creation to suffer in His place. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own flesh and blood. Do you think Abraham's self-sacrificial faith is greater than God's? Act 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." You bet, call on the name of Jehovah and be saved, but salvation comes only through Jesus Christ. Act 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Wake up, get out of there, and bring some with you. Colin. |
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2 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | Truthfinder | 72917 | ||
Hi Colin, You wrote: The NWT mentions Michael 5 times as 1)"one of the foremost princes..." (Dan 10.13); 2)"the prince of Daniel's people..." (Dan 10.21); 3) "the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel's] people" (Dan 12.1); 4) "the archangel who had a difference with the devil and was disputing about Moses' body" but "did not dare to bring a judgement against him in abusive terms" (Jude 9); and 5) an actor in Heaven's conflict when "Michael and his angels battled with the dragon" (Rev. 12.7) Well, Michael is the only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel” according to Jude 9. As you say the first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of Daniel’s people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of Daniel’s people.” (Daniel 10:13,20,21) But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Mi'cha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia. 20 So he went on to say: “Do you really know why I have come to you? And now I shall go back to fight with the prince of Persia. When I am going forth, look! also the prince of Greece is coming. 21 However, I shall tell you the things noted down in the writing of truth, and there is no one holding strongly with me in these [things] but Mi'cha·el, the prince of YOU people. (Daniel 12:1) “And during that time Mi'cha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book. This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.” (Jude 9) But when Mi'cha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Matthew 28:18) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. (Revelation 17:14) These will battle with the Lamb, but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so].” If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God. (continued) Truthfinder |
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3 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | Truthfinder | 72918 | ||
Part 2 There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon. Re 11:15; 16:14-16. The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels. In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator. Truthfinder |
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4 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | obstacle1 | 150028 | ||
I congraulate you for stating Bibically how Jesus is indeed Michael, the archangel. In summary, Micheal is given a kingdom in which he will rule all the people. Jesus is also given a kingdom in which he will rule all the people.(Mt. 28:18) Both are given the same kingdom, Jesus has a voice of an archangel in 1 Thes. 4:16, both are said to reign during a times of distress (Dan. 12:1; Mt. 28:18) and both are said to the the head of all the angels.(Rev. 12:7; Mt. 13:41) |
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