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1 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | rferg | 71496 | ||
Good day Tim, I appreciate your point of view. But this is the same type of information one denomination after another has given the body of Christ for years and it doesn't make sense or add up. Your average person doesn't know greek or hewbrew and all the other information you wrote to prove your right. And frankly my mind is to small to comprehend that "being someone" and "with someone" are the same. But maybe you need to be a Pastor, super spiritual or a student of Greek and Hebrew. I agree with your first paragraph completely. In the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John they all start by proving the diety of Jesus Christ, that He is God (the Son) and that He (Jesus the Son) came from God (His Father-Abba Father is His name). Many scriptures seem to be comfusing because we keep trying to make them say something they don't, to prove the rightness of the denomination we are in. I'm not speaking to you but to all religious groups. Are we trying to prove the denomination we are in right or find the truth for ourselves? I have a different approach. You probably haven't heard this before so don't get to hasty. Just think it through. I have a limited education and have sought the answer to the truth about the trinity for years. I prayed and ask God to help me understand so I could love something or someone who was real to me. I recieved this word picture so to speak. I took a piece of paper and drew a line down the middle, on the left side I wrote earthly family on the right side I wrote Heavenly family, which stood for spiritual family. On the left I wrote the names of all the people in our family. Then I wrote the name of the Father God, Jesus -Son of God and the Holy Spirit of God, one on top of the other. Then I circled the last names in our earthly family and then the name "God" which was after the Abba, Jesus and Holy Spirit. After seeing this I asked myself a few questions. We have 5 members in our family and we are ONE family even though we have many members. There is a chain of command and we all have different functions. In our earthly family we are all born with the same nature (sinful) until we are baptized into the body of Christ. Then I asked myself the same questions about the Heavenly family. They (the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are "ONE GOD" (one family) with more than one member. They have the same nature (righteous) there is a chain of command, the Father is superior to the Son but they have different functions. Like the earthly family their family can also be added to when we are born again we are now children of God (family of God). No, I'm not saying we are God's. I'm saying we now have the righteousness of Jesus Christ and being transformed each day. When we see the word God, Lord, HE, I used we should ask ourselves God who? We see them seperately at times and collectively (all together) Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) created the heavens and the earth. Prov.8:22 The Lord (Father) possessed me (Jesus) at the beginning of His way, Before His (the Fathers) works of old. 23 From everlasting I (Jeus the Son) was established. From the beginning, from the earlies of times of the earth. 24 When there were no depths I (Jesus) was brought forth, When there were no springs abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills I (Jesus) was brought forth;26 While He (Father) had not yet made the earth and the fields, Nor the first dust of the world. 27 When He (Father) established the heavens I (Jesus) was there, When He (the Father)inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, 28 When He (Father) made firm the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, 29 When He (the Father) set for the sea its boundary, So that the water shold not transgress His (Fathers) command, When He (Father) marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I (Jesus) was beside Him (The Father), as a master workman; And I (Jesus his Son) was daily His (Fathers) delight, Rejoicing alsways before Him (His Father), 31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth, And having my (Jesus') delight in the sons of men. Apply this same principal to John 1:1 and it will make perfect sense. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Who was the Word? John1:14 (Jesus the Son of God) and Word (Jesus the Son of God) was with God. God who? His Father God. John1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Who was He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God. God who? His Father. When Jesus is baptized the heavens are open and the Father says this is my Son whom I am well pleased and the Holy Spirit ascends upon Him (Jesus) as a dove. Here we see all three seperately. This is so simple and not confusing (God is not a God of confustion) anyone could understand it even a child. It follows suit through out the bible and makes hundreds of other scriptures make simple sense. Sincerely |
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2 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | Morant61 | 71533 | ||
Greetings Rferg! Thanks for your response! I have read your posts on this topic, but I haven't responded as of yet. There have been many attempts to explain the Trinity, most fall flat unfortunately. The major weakness with your approach is simply this: Scripture is very clear that there is only ONE GOD. Your approach makes it out to be three Gods who are in one family, but Scripture says that there is only one God. The classical approach to explaining the Trinity is not really that difficult. There is only ONE GOD, but there are three distinct persons within that Godhead. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. However, the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. While we may not ever be able to fully grasp how such a thing can be from our human experience, it is the testimony of Scripture. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | rferg | 71540 | ||
Tim Can you explain to me who Jesus set's at the right hand of His Father when their is only ONE GOD? Either, Jesus is God or His Father is! And since there is only ONE GOD, and you say God is Jesus then who is the Father? |
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4 | John 1:1 and the word was a god | John 1:1 | Robert Nicholson | 71545 | ||
rferg: "you say God is Jesus then who is the Father?" Your question was asked many years ago by Philip: "Philip said unto him, Lord show us the father, and it will satisfy us. Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..." (John 14:8,9) As finite human beings we will never fully fathom the Godhead which an infinite truth. There is one God who is expressed in three distinct persons who are co-equal and co-eternal although each has a specific sphere in the Godhead. This is seen in many scriptures "The Father sent the Son to be the saviour of the world" (1 John 4:14) The Son took upon himself the form of a bond servant and was made in the likeness of men, and being fashioned as a man he became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." (Phil.2: 7 to 8) Moreover, Christ at his bodily resurrection proved that he is indeed the Son of God, God the Son and as you have mentioned is seated on the right hand of the Majesty on high. After the resurrection God sent the Holy Spirit into the world, not to speak of himself, but to speak of Christ. There is a real man seated at his Father's side and he is our Lord Jesus Christ who is God manifest in the flesh. There is total harmony in the Godhead. It is a serious thing to undermine the Diety of Christ. In 1 John2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. I do not quote the above to label or demean you as a person, however, I believe we must pay attention to God's word concerning his Son. Peace in his Name Robert |
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