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1 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133808 | ||
Kalos, You had offered a definition of the word "judge": "In the New Testament judge means: try, investigate, inquire into, discern, pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence as the facts require], discern the difference between right and wrong, decide grievances, disputes, and quarrels, think over and make up your mind, searchingly examine, pay attention and weigh and discern [what is said], examine, test and evaluate." May I inquire as to what text reference you obtained this definition? It seems slightly like a mismatch of two different meanings for the word "judge", all melded into one, insofar as the word "judge" can possess different definitions depending on the context of the passage. One context of the word "judge" may merely involve fact evaluation, whereas another context of the word may imply condemnation. You largely reference this distinction anyhow, after your presentation of the definition, but the definition itself that you supply does not reference distinction. - You further quoted a text from Word Publishing, which partly refers to judging people as dogs or swine. Although, the verses are provided in this quote, the chapters seem to missing. I cannot find the precise verses that the text refers to, due to the incompleteness of the quotation. "7:1 Judge not. As the context reveals, this does not prohibit all types of judging (v. 16). There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise with careful discernment (John 7:24). Censorious, hypocritical, self-righteous, or other kinds of unfair judgments are forbidden; but in order to fulfill the commandments that follow, it is necessary to discern dogs and swine (v. 6) from one's own brethren (vv. 3-5)" (1997, Word Publishing). - You further wrote the following question: "Do not judge? Anyone? Anything? Ever?" Perhaps I must more articulately narrow my original question. Is it biblical to render character judgments upon the soul of another? If so, then when and how? For example, here is a verse from the book of Matthew in the context of disciplinary excommunication. Matthew 18 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. (NAS95) I would ask concerning the judgments rendered here. Are these judgments made simply concerning the facts of a case, or are they issued as a character judgment toward a human soul? The differentiation would be between judging lifeless things versus judging a living soul. - Lastly, you wrote: "Anyone who, after reading these Scriptures, still makes the blanket statement that we are never supposed to judge either cannot or will not understand what the word "judge" really means, as it is used in the New Testament. So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you (NASB 1 Thessalonians 4:8)." Your application here of rejecting the Holy Spirit seems a bit harsh, when directly presented to the readers of this forum. The original context of this condemnatory verse was in reference to sexual immorality, by avenue of apostolic authority. It does not, however, refer specifically to those who make blanket statements, after you present a series of scripture quotations to them. I believe that you have misapplied your last verse reference here. Here is a larger contextual view of the passage: 1 Thessalonians 4 1 Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us instruction as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more. 2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7 For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8 So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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2 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | kalos | 133812 | ||
Reighnskye: Thank you for pointing out the places in my previous post where the meaning is unclear. As soon as I can, I will revise the post in an attempt to clarify that which needs clarifying. Hopefully, the following will answer some of your questions. The words in brackets [ ] have been added for clarification. From my previous post: '[The English word judge has more than one meaning (is used in more than one sense) in the NT. The following definitions (plural) are taken from various NT passages where the English word judge appears in the Amplified Bible:] 'try, investigate, inquire into, discern, pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence as the facts require]...' - - - - - - - 'Do not judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves. Matthew 7:1 Amplified New Testament '"[Matthew] 7:1 [Do not judge.] As the context reveals, this does not prohibit all types of judging ([Matthew 7] v. 16)....' Grace to you, Kalos |
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3 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133817 | ||
Kalos, Thank you very much also for your vigor to convey your honest convictions. It is good that we may address harder issues at times, insofar as the scripture does so itself. I myself would desire to exercise accountability with the members of this forum, whenever my perspectives may not be fully deemed as biblical. This may involve polite and honest exchange. Thank you further for the clarifications that you provide here. I am perhaps slow to understand at times. I do feel that the Amplified Bible text is the Lockman Foundation's attempt to go beyond the literal word for word tranlation of the NASB, without having to resort to a thought for thought translation. It's almost like having the NASB's margin notes right in the text itself, except to a much greater level. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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