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1 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | mark d seyler | 156823 | ||
Hi SBoone, Let's look at the passage in Samuel of his visit with the medium, keeping in mind that we will see people making statements, as well as statements made by the Holy Spirit: 1 Samuel 28:12 And the woman saw Samuel (This is plain descriptive language, and is the Holy Spirit saying that this medium saw Samuel.), and cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul! 13 And the king said to her, Do not be afraid. For what have you seen? And the woman said to Saul, I have seen a god coming up out of the earth (This is an accurate record of what the woman said. What she said was her opinion). 14 And he said to her, What is his appearance? And she said, An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a robe (her perceptions). And Saul knew that he was Samuel (What was in Saul's mind). And he bowed his face to the earth, and prostrated himself. 15 And Samuel said to Saul (the Holy Spirit says that Samuel spoke to Saul), Why have you disturbed me, to bring me up. And Saul said, I am grievously distressed. And the Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned from me and has not answered me any more, either by the hand of the prophets, or by dreams. And I called for you to make known to me what I should do. 16 And Samuel said, And why do you ask me, since Jehovah has departed from you and is your foe? 17 And Jehovah is doing for Himself as He spoke by my hand. And Jehovah is tearing the kingdom out of your hand, and is giving it to your neighbor, to David. 18 Because you did not listen to the voice of Jehovah, or execute the anger of His wrath on Amalek, on this account Jehovah is doing this thing to you today. 19 Yea, Jehovah is also giving Israel into the hand of the Philistines along with you. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. And Jehovah will give the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. 20 And Saul hurried and fell the full length of his stature to the earth, and greatly feared from the words of Samuel. And there was no power in him, for he had not eaten food all that day, and all the night. I just don't see any way around that this was Samuel. I appreciate the way that you approach a subject, looking at all scriptures that relate, to make sure everything agrees. I do the same thing. And I will change my understanding of the Scriptures in a heartbeat if I see it in the text. Thank you for your prays, and you kind words. And (belatedly) Welcome to the Forum! Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156838 | ||
Hi again Mark, I really am looking forward to discussing some other topics that I'm sure you and I would hold in common. Your clear way of presenting your opinion is very challenging when you don't agree. The way I would read this is that the devil possessed woman who was "calling up Samuel" really thought she saw Samuel. Saul who was disobeying God really thought he was seeing Samuel. A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments gives arguements in favor of "that this was a mere deception", but goes on to state "many eminent writers, are of opinion that Sameul really appeared. Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible : Complete and Unabridged in One Volume says "to think that any good souls would come up at the beck of an evil spirit, or that God, who had denied a man the benefit of his own institutions, would suffer him to reap any real advantage by a cursed diabolical invention, was very absurd". He goes on to state that a saint would not "come up" since they are taken up at their death. Matt 7:17,18 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad furit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit". I would say that a devil possesed medium could not produce a real saint. I share your feelings toward Bible study. "My wisdom" is foolishness, so as the Lord reveals scripture to me I gladly cast off my foolishness in favor of His wisdom. Your brother, SBoone |
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3 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | mark d seyler | 156845 | ||
Hi SBoone, We can leave this subject behind us if you wish, that's ok. I have one question for you though. How are we to understand the Bible if Samuel did not appear to Saul? What in the text actually tells us that it was not Samuel? And if there is nothing to tell us that except our own common sense, well, brother, let me tell you! My sense isn't quite so common, as those who know me better would be happy, oh so happy, to attest! But seriously, how would we know? If it's just opinion, everybody has an opinion, and coincidentally, one or two may agree, but how could we actually know? But if, on the other hand, God selected every word, intentionally, knowing that 3000 years later Mark would be scratching his head wondering if it really was Samuel or not, and since God wrote the Bible to teach us,well, why mislead us by saying it was Samuel when it wasn't? And if, in fact, it wasn't Samuel, then this is a misleading passage, and how do we trust the rest of it? This story was not written by a demon-possessed woman who was deluded by her familiars. It was written by the Holy Spirit, Who knows exactly what happened. What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156890 | ||
Hi Mark, This is indeed a very powerful arguement. I would never encourage someone to use their own wisdom to interpret scripture. The only thing we can do is interpret scripture with scripture. The Bible talks about the sun rising and setting. The Bible talks about the four corners of the Earth. Should we take every word literally in scripture? My answer is absolutely yes! Unless the context of the entire scriptures proves otherwise. The Bible teaches that the dead don't know anything, their thoughts have perished, and they do not comprehend the things on earth. It is in this context that I would suggest that when the Bible says it was Samuel it is in contect of the witch and Saul believing it was Samuel, but was infact exactly what we would expect should a witch call up a dead person to speak to us today. I feel it is very important not to place our wisdom or our tradition in a higher standing than that of scripture. Is that clarifying my thoughts or complicating things further? God bless, SBoone |
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