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1 | When do we become sinners? | Ps 51:5 | mattone | 12205 | ||
Hey Tim, thanks for your response. but I feel as if I've said to much already, so I'm going to respond once more and then give some others a chance to participate. First, Romans 7:9 is a difficult passage. The best of Christian minds have had trouble with this text. In fact, in 10 commentaries on Romans 7:9, I could find not one allusion to the idea of the age of accountability, not to mention that Paul in his entire argument here makes no reference to the subject either. Now the rules of exegesis tell us that Scripture interprets Scripture. So here we have this 1 verse that as you put it, could be a possible reference to the age of accountability, a verse in which Paul makes no reference to the subject, and of the many commentaries I referenced not one even remotely saw this verse in that light. Yet on the other hand we have the entirety of the Pauline corpus that speaks of all men being born into sin as a result of Adam's federal headship. "As it is written, There is none righteous, not even one" (Rom 3:10, Psalm 14:1,3, 53:1,3). To quote Paul again, "all have fallen short of the glory of God". In Ephesians 2 the Apostle tells us we were dead men, dead in our trespasses and sin. So we have one obscure verse with possible inference as you put it, versus the entirety of Paul's teaching, not to mention the rest of Scripture, that in Adam we are all born into sin, and are held responsible for that sin. Now you are right, this is not the place for a debate on the "Doctrines of Grace", but from your semi-pelagian perspective, when you assume that our Lord died for those who are in hell,then you must also assume that his blood was not effective enough where their souls were concerned. But when you assume that Christ died for the sins of the elect, of which, not one will be lost, then we know that his sacrifice was completely effective, and this I believe is the supported view of Scripture. But I digress, for we have traveled a long way from the original question, for where Romans 7:9 is a bit on the difficult side, David's words are quite clear, "Behold I was brought forth in iniquity"(Psalm 51:5), "Purify me with Hyssop and I will be clean, Wash me and I shall be whiter than snow" (Psalm 51:7). Also your Brother in our Lord, JCP. |
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2 | When do we become sinners? | Ps 51:5 | Morant61 | 12225 | ||
Greetings JCP! I'm getting ready to rush off to Colts Training Camp, so I can't tarry long. I totally agree with you about all of us being born in sin. Even Arminians believe in total depravity. Admittedly, Rom. 7:9 is not clear. However, combined with unlimited atonement, it makes a fairly strong case. One point that Calvinists never seem to understand from an Arminians perspective is that we don't see an atonement sufficient for all, but effcient for those who respond, as being ineffective. His death atoned for every sin, not just some. I would not call that ineffective. However, I realize our camps may never see eye to eye on this issue. One point of concern, Arminians are not semi-pelagian. I have always viewed this as a strawman. We really have nothing in common with pelagianism. Maybe we can discuss this later, I have to run. Blessings my brother. Tim Moran |
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