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1 | Questions I'm trying to answer | Joshua | DocTrinsograce | 169000 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, I was not mocking you, my friend. The hidden message idea you related is word-for-word what I've found elsewhere. I don't know the original source. I can't track it back the 1,000 years that you suggest. However, whoever originated this idea did some creative translating. If God hid a message in the genealogy of Adam through Noah, why would the message stop at Noah? Why not go all the way through the genealogy of Christ? Here's the list again but, this time, from Strong's: Adam - Mankind (the roots are Flushed Red or Ruddy) #121 Seth - Put/Set/Lay #8352 Enos - Humanity (emphasizing his mortality) #583 Cainan - Fixed (as in a Nest) #7018 Mahalaleel - Praise of God #4111 Jared - Descend/Fall #3382 Enoch - Initiated/Taught #2585 Methuselah - Man of a Dart #4968 Lamech - Unknown (Strong says the root meaning is lost) #3929 Noah - Rest #5146 God speaks more plainly (and grammatically) than what we have here. I suspect the original idea has roots in wishful thinking rather than serious textual study. Irony is a powerful persuasive tool, extensively used by the prophets, apostles, and our Lord. Instead of becoming offended, Brother Mark, hang on to your Historico-Grammatical presuppositions. Be skeptical of anything arising from a competitive approaches... at least until you can be certain that the information is reliable. Speaking of corrective thinking: I'm more and more persuaded by your approach to dealing with Revelation. I am grateful for your patient instruction. In Him, Doc |
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2 | Questions I'm trying to answer | Joshua | mark d seyler | 169077 | ||
Dear Doc, I apologize as it seems I misunderstood your intent. I would like to suggest that a search beyond Strongs may be more fruitful. Take, for instance, Seth. Gen 4:25 tells us what it means: "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." This link will take you to Chuck Missler's explanation of how he derived the meanings of these names. I have used the Hebrew language helps on my Bible software, and what is online, and I have found the same thing. And again I apologize. I think perhaps I was being a bit sensitive considering the general response I received on this topic. Love in Christ, Mark http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/44/ I don't know why God does what He does, and doesn't do what He doesn't do, beyond those things He tells us. |
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3 | Questions I'm trying to answer | Joshua | DocTrinsograce | 169095 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, The following is not intended as criticism of you. I've just tried to study it through. It is interesting that Chuck Missler makes this assertion about the "hidden message." Unfortunately, he leaves us none the wiser as to the authority by which he makes some of the "translations." He even deals with the natural objections by dismissing the use of a "conventional lexicon." (Although he does not tell us where we might find an unconventional one.) Let me give an example of Missler's definitions, of Lamech he says "Methuselah's son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, lament or lamentation. Lamech suggests despairing." Our English word does not come from Hebrew. Furthermore, the Hebrew words for lament, moan, weep, cry, complain, etc. aren't even remotely close to "Lamech." I find Chuck Missler often quoted in connection with this "hidden message" theory, but there is a marked absence of ancient Hebrew language authorities. I think I'll stick with Dr. James Strong, who spent a lifetime devoted to the study of the languages of the Bible. I'm afraid, Brother Mark, that Missler appears to have obtained this "hidden message" from somewhere else. (His wording is repeated all over the net, even when they don't cite him as the author.) Where was it that you found this mentioned from over a thousand years ago? In Him, Doc PS If you like, I can make inquiries of a good friend of mine. He is a national expert on ancient Biblical languages. |
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4 | Questions I'm trying to answer | Joshua | mark d seyler | 169097 | ||
Dear Doc, To look at Lamech, here are some things I have read: List of Hebrew names , as derived from Modern Hebrew or Standard Hebrew , and Tiberian Hebrew , ... ìÆîÆêÀ Lamech. "Low; poor." Lamech, the son of Methusael, had a name which the lexicographers have not been able to explain, there being no other word similar to it in the Hebrew tongue. The Writings of the New Church, however, state that Lamech signifies "vastation" and "something destroyed." (AC 527) That by "Lamech" is signified the vastation and destruction both of faith and of charity, is evident from his own statement that he "slew a man to his wounding, and a little one to his hurt," for by "a man" is meant faith, and by "a little one" is meant innocence and charity. (AC 406) LAMECH Gender: Masculine Usage: Biblical Pronounced: LAY-mek Possibly means "to make low" in Hebrew. Lamech is the name of two characters in Genesis: a descendent of Cain and the father of Noah. • Lamech (Gen 4:18) Lamech the First is the last mentioned father in the line of Cain. Lamech the Second is the father of Noah. The word lmk does not occur in Hebrew. Jones reads Powerful, from an untreated root meaning strong and robust young man. NOBSE reads Wild Man. But perhaps the name stemmed from the construction of the particle (le 1063), meaning to or towards; and the verb (muk 1159), be low, depressed, or even the adjacent verb (makak 1193), be low, humiliated. The whole name would thus mean For Lowering; For Humiliation. This is, of course, a partial list. This sources have nothing to do with Missler, or his ideas. Anyway, I'm done with this subject. I expect you will want to rebut me, feel free. But I am done. Love in Christ, Mark |
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5 | Questions I'm trying to answer | Joshua | DocTrinsograce | 169105 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, If you could stretch your over taxed patience just a tiny bit more. What is the source of this information on Lamech? Further, how does it support Missler's premise that Lamech means "Sorrow?" In Him, Doc |
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