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1 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 92329 | ||
RM2, I hear what you're saying. But I haven't found anything else that disputes that verse. I looked at the ones you listed and I couldn't see how they dealt with this topic. I did look in humbleness, not trying to automatically dismiss them because of what I've received for myself. Honestly, how could you argue against Is 45:7? Are we to assume that it doesn't mean what it says? You are right in saying that if I stick to one translation, it will be hard to be convinced otherwise. How many bibles are we supposed to use to get the translation that we feel is right? Everything in the KJV makes perfect sense to me and I've never found a contradiction. Are you not also doing the same thing by using your translation? So with that being said, let's put that aside. Can you comment on the other things I said in the last post? I'm really interested in what you have to say regarding the understandings I gave. I don't take things personally. I only want to find out the truth. I'm not in this for myself, but for God. So I'm not offended. I hope you are not either. All that matters to me is that our hearts are in it for God. That seems like the case to me. This topic does not "hinge on salvation" so it doesn't matter who is right here. I think this is a way to really search the scriptures deeper. You have already made me do that greatly. So your comments have helped me for sure. That's why I would like to see what you have regarding the other comments I made. If you don't want to go any further, that's fine. I'm having a great time studying this with you. God bless always, Sal |
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2 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 92726 | ||
Good Morning Sal, I just read the discussion you had with RM2 on God creating evil. Now I understand the purpose of the question regarding different translations. The question that I have is this: How do you interpret James 1:13-16?? |
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3 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 92730 | ||
Hey Curtman, How are you? I'm blessed. I gave a brief comment on that verse in my post dated 8/6/03 10:17am. The way I view it is that God does not tempt anyone, just like the scripture says. I do believe that God has created evil because he needed evil to work for Him. Since He Himself does not tempt someone, something would have to do it. That something would be evil. Did not God place the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden of Eden? That was there before any transgression at all. It was not until the fruit was eaten that they were aware of what evil was. Who put that knowledge in the fruit? Man certainly did not. How do you view this? I gotta go. Sorry if this isn't explained real well, I'm in a rush. Be blessed, Sal |
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4 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 92948 | ||
I personally have a hard time swallowing the fact that God created evil and called it not just good, but very good. Genesis 1:31. I keep looking at Gen. 2:17 and what I see is that God created a Tree of Knowledge. Knowledge if used correctly is a very good thing, but if used incorrectly, it can be an evil thing. I personally believe that it is possible to take something that is intended for one purpose and use it for another. I believe that evil is the result of bad decisions. I once bought a teenage friend of mine a parallel bible. A big thick hardback bible, that looked like your average Webster’s Dictionary. Now the bible in itself is good correct?? One day during a conversation that we were having, she informed me that her boyfriend was not listening to her. I jokingly suggested that she take that bible I bought her, climb a stepladder, and drop it on his toes. I told her that at that point she would have his attention. I took something that was good, and used it for something it was not designed for. The Tree of Knowledge was good, but God knew that when we misused that knowledge, evil would be the result of it. I have a hard time believing that evil is something that God created knowing that it would disrupt his creation of the planet Earth, disrupt the people that is on Earth to a degree that He, Himself would have to destroy everything with a flood, sacrifice His Son, and send people to the Eternal Lake of Fire. Try this one on for size. God is supposed to be a Just God. He’s going to create evil, and when I partake of His creation, I’m going to be eternally separated from Him, and that’s justice right?? So what do you think Sal?? Any of this making sense?? The CurtMan |
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5 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 93041 | ||
Hey Curtman, You bring up some very good points. Let me see if I can explain myself. Keep in mind that I do not by any means say that God is unjust for my position on this. God created the heavens and the earth in Gen 1. It was good. The tree of knowledge was not planted until Gen 2. So everything He created in Gen 1 WAS good. I do understand what you mean by saying it was our choice to become evil. But I also believe that God had an eternal plan from the beginning and knew all of this was going to happen. I believe He needed evil as part of His plan to carry it out. That is my belief, but I wouldn't teach that as doctrine because then I'd be saying that I understand God's eternal plan completely. Just as you have a hard time believing God wanted destruction to come to this world, I have a hard time believing that He didn't plan it this way. He knows everything. Now, if that is not the case, I can also look at it like this: God created everything that exists. Wheather He intended all of this to happen or not, it did. And in a roundabout way, He created it. And God, being the gentleman that He is, took responsibility for it. Did you see my post about God creating Lucifer? I think I have explained myself as best as I can. Everyone that has given me their understandings and scriptures still does not convince me that I am looking at this the wrong way. All the scriptures that were given does not solidly contest God creating evil. I would have to see something that is cut and dry. Justice as you mentioned seems wrong, in this context. But that's only if you are thinking in terms of man's justice. God's justice is beyond our judgement. How many times did God command the Israelites to destroy cities, man women and children? That seems unjust in our eyes to destroy children, but not in God's eyes. If you read all the posts on this carefully, you might find that no one has given me anything solid. Only theory on what they believe God's nature is and how He works. Have you read my belief on His plan on post #92214 in the last couple of paragraphs? Be blessed, Sal |
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6 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | Hank | 93042 | ||
Hello, Sal. Up to now I've been quite content to read this ongoing thread without feeling inclined to splash into such deep waters. Even now, I'll be terse and toss out into the waters only a couple of small wafers that I invite you to sample. On the first wafer appears the inscription, "Why would a Holy God need evil in order to carry out His will?" And on the second wafer is inscribed the question, "Is there a distinction to be made between God's knowing what will happen and His causing it to happen?" And, Sal, note the fine print on the back of each wafer that says: "Please don't speculate but instead give sound biblical evidence to back up your answers." Cordially, and fraternally in Christ, --Hank | ||||||
7 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 93043 | ||
Hi Hank, Good to hear from you my brother! Wafer 1: Don't know, I'm not God. Rom 9:20-23. Why did He create man? Wafer 2: That is the eternal question isn't it? Can anyone answer that? I know that God intervenes when He sees it necessary. Prov 21:1, Gen 20:6. But as far as all the time, I don't know and I believe that that is an impossible question to answer. Anyone who does give a definate answer is foolishly assuming they know God's eternal plan in and out. Can anyone give me scriptures that support that God didn't create evil? So far no one has. Be blessed, Sal |
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8 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | BradK | 93073 | ||
bronx hulk, In answer to your response to Hank "Can anyone give me scriptures that support that God didn't create evil? So far no one has." I believe these scriptures provide the "source" of evil: Gen. 3:1–6; 6:5; Psalm 51:5; Mk. 7:21–23; Rom. 5:12–19; 1 Tim.6:10; 1 John 3:8, 12 (cf. Is 14:12–14; Eze 28:14–17). We also see that evil can be ascribed to; 1. The Human heart, Gen. 6:5; 8:21; Ps. 28:3; 140:2; Pr. 6:14; 2.The Human mind, Ex. 10:10; Ps. 56:5; 3.Human nature, Mt. 7:11; 12:34–35; Rom. 7:21 God allows calamity (or evil) by His permissive will as in 1 Sam. 6:9; 2 Kings 6:33; Amos 9:4 (cf. Isaiah 45:7).[NASB Topical Index] I don't know that evil can be ascribed as being "created by God." I think the question might be better phrased by which scriptures support that God DID create evil? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts or comments. Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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9 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 93125 | ||
BradK, Thanks, I wrote down these scriptures. Give me some time to look them over. As far as wanting to hear my points, follow the study all the way up the chain and start at the first question. This got pretty in depth. Be forewarned, it will take a while!! It makes me tired just thinking about it :o) Sal |
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