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1 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | McGracer | 53708 | ||
Evangeline, God is Spirit. Spirit gives birth to spirit - John 3. When God created man, He created him as primarily a spirit being. In other words, we each have a human spirit that will exist forever. It is our spirit that allows us to commune with and worship God. Our spirit is the means by which we relate to and know God. But He also created us with a personality (or soul). This consists of mind, will, and emotions. The soul is the means by which we relate to ourselves and others around us. And He created us with a physical body - flesh. The body is the means by which we directly relate to our world and others around us through our 5 senses. So man could be called a spirit being that has a soul that lives in a body. It has been said that we are not human beings with spiritual experiences but spiritual beings with human experiences. God makes it clear that if we are going to relate to Him, we must do so in spirit and truth. Of course, because of man's fall into sin, we are born with a spirit that is separated from God. Thankfully, because of Christ's work on the cross and His resurrection, God creates within the believer a new spirit indwelt by the Holy Spirit. This is called being born again of the Spirit of God and this makes it possible for us to have a relationship with Him. I hope this helps. McGracer |
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2 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | In the Andes | 53713 | ||
Hey Mac, I've got a question. You said that man is born with a spirit that's separated from God. Wouldn't that mean that all babies die and go to hell? Rom. 7:9, how does that factor. I WAS Alive once without the law... |
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3 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | McGracer | 53721 | ||
In the Andies, Paul makes it very clear in Romans chapter 5 that, because of Adam's sin, were are all born sinners - vs. 12, 18, 19; Eph 2:1. These are God's statements, not mine. There is plenty of scripture to support this view. However, there are virtually no scriptures that talk about what happens to babies when they die, are there? David does talk about going to be with his son that died because of David's sin. That could mean heaven or it could mean the grave, I don't know. So, we have a choice. Are we going to base our theology upon issues where the scriptures are clear? Or are we going to base it upon hypotheticals? I will have to go with what I know is clearly taught. It is clearly taught that we are born dead in trespasses and sins. It is not clearly taught what happens to babies (or the mentally handicapped, or those who have never had a chance to hear the gospel). This does not mean that I believe that babies go to hell. We have personally had two miscarriages and I don't believe that God would send these children to hell. Does He make exceptions? I don't know. If He does, He is God, that is his prerogrative. I do know that He is perfectly loving and perfectly just and I trust Him to be God in this matters where things are not black and white. As far as Rom 7:9 goes, there are 3 main views of Paul's experience: 1. He is describing his preconversion state. 2. He is describing his post-conversion state of trying to live under and be sanctified by the Law. 3. He is describing the normal Christian experience. Regardless, he has already made it clear that all are born sinners in Romans 5. What do you think he is referring to? McGracer |
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4 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | In the Andes | 53725 | ||
Are you saying that babies come out of the womb with sin in their lives? Maybe the scripture is silent on the subject because it's common sense. Paul said, death spread to all men because ALL SINNED. You'll have to prove to me 1st that a 1 year old child can commit sin. Looking over those scriptures you quoted, I cannot find where men are born sinners, I see where death spread to all men BECAUSE ALL SINNED. Paul is very clear that "where there is no law, sin is not held against man." vs 13 As far as God making exceptions, He is no respecter of persons. Let me give you another veiw point to add to your 3 main views. Paul was refering to a time in his life when he was not spiritually separated from God. And when he understood the commandment, the nature of his flesh which was passed down from Adam arose and took advantage of the commandment and killed him. Thereby teaching him that he needed a savior. Paul says in Rom 2:14-15 that those without the law are a law unto themselves. And their consciences bear witness, accusing or excusing them. Babies must of necessity have clean consciences. Or they would go straight to hell. All men will sin (because of the nature passed down from Adam) and thereby need a savior. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I think it is a bit much to appl Rom 5 and eph 2 to babies. This is a subject that i've heard quite a bit. In the seventies it was called the age of accountability. I haven't heard much about it since then. |
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5 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | McGracer | 53727 | ||
In the Andes, In good humor (and good faith), let's banter this about a little bit: You wrote: "Paul said, death spread to all men because ALL SINNED." Sure all sin - but why? ALL sin because ALL are sinners. You don't become a sinner when you first sin. You sin BECAUSE you are ALREADY a sinner. It is because of Adam that we are sinners, not because of our own acts. Our own sinful acts just confirm to us what we ALREADY are. It is your birth that determines what you are, not your actions. I don't become a saint when I commit my first righteous act. I do righteous acts BECAUSE Christ is in me doing them - my new birth has already made me a saint. You wrote: "Paul is very clear that "where there is no law, sin is not held against man." vs 13" He is saying the before Mt. Sinai, committed sins where not taken into account. But don't miss verse 14 - NEVERTHELESS, sin still reigned. People still died and went to hell because they were born separated from God. Only those who had faith in God were counted as righteous and when to heaven. You wrote: "Babies must of necessity have clean consciences. Or they would go straight to hell. All men will sin (because of the nature passed down from Adam) and thereby need a savior. I'm not disagreeing with you on that." So, would you agree that babies have Adam's sinful nature passed on to each and every one? If not, how do you get around it? If so, how would God allow any creature (baby or not) to go to heaven with a sinful nature in it? Again, I don't believe that babies go to hell. I believe that there is an age of accountability. I just cannot conclusively prove it from scripture. McGracer |
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