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NASB | Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led by the [Holy] Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. [Luke 4:1-13] |
Subject: What was reason for the virgin birth? |
Bible Note: Good morning Brother ebrain! Thanks for your input; but Brother Tim has made that point and I have heard it from more then one pulpit, but somehow it doesn't seem to follow logically. So, if I may, please consider what I have written to Brother Hank on this. I wrote..... "I have herd that point about them not having a sin nature and yet they were tempted, and it seems to be a good one. But, does it follow logically, sense they did get the curse of that nature after they sinned. Mary the mother of Our Lord, being in that earthly line, was born with it, so then, Jesus being all God, but also all man, and, a man born in that line, could we not then say that He also was heir to this sin nature." Now I Know, all to well, how hard it is to consider this, and I think I have made that clear as well, when I wrote..... "And believe me brother I Do not want you or any one to think that in any way shape or form would I insinuate something that would or could diminish Our Lord, and I know that you feel the same way." Here is a excerpt from Charlie Hodges: And my thanks to Brother BradK for sending me this. "Temptation implies the possibility of sin. If from the constitution of his person it was impossible for Christ to sin, then his temptation was unreal and without effect, and He cannot sympathize with his people." Now here is what I wrote, pryer to my Knowledge of Mr. Hodges writings. "It is hard for me to imagine, the temptation being valid, if Our Lord did not have a sin nature. It seems to me that if He did not have to make a conscious effort, that is, if there was no struggle. How then could He possibly relate to us in the way the Word says that He does. In the garden he sweat as like it was blood and I'm convinced that it was blood. Brother here was a man in anguish looking for a way OUT! He said to them " My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death." and He fell with His Face to the ground "My Father. If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me." I am not suggesting in any way that Our Lord would ever disobey the Father. But man you gotta think he wanted to, and thats the kind of Man that I want to get behind! Someone who is faithful no mater what!" I think we can agree; the possibility for Him to have sinned is real, otherwise it invalidates sympathy. But I think maybe the problem is here, I spent a bit of a sleepless night this last night and I came to this conclusion. Which is: Perhaps it is in the terminology, i.e. "sin nature" It seems that because we use this "sin nature" to describe and explain what it is, in us, that makes us sinners, regardless of wether or not we know it, or think it, we are sinners, because we have a "sin nature". So I suppose that leaves me at a loss for words. Maybe I should call it......"the something or other or whatever that might be in Him that made it possible for him to sin because if it were not possible for Him to sin it would invalidate simpathy but of corse we all know that He did not sin. That seems a little long doen't it? thanks to all my Brothers, Peace,Love,Honor,and Respect in Christ Jesus.... stj |