Subject: clean body natural and spiritual |
Bible Note: Hi Doc, I Cor 9:27 doesn't mention the will, only the body. Who is the, I, Paul is talking about? His spirit or his body? I don't see where you can conclude the will is implied? What is the scriptural basis? You are right,James 2:16 was not the correct scripture, the reference was I JOhn 2:16 so that would be confusing :) Yes, we do disagree as to the two part or three part being. All of God's word has to be considered in coming to conclusions and not just isolated parts, he knows more than all mankind put together and he is the revelator. I Thes 5:23 No one should have, and I know I did not have presuppositions. I came to my conclusions by study of the word. I had no clue mankind was spirit, soul and body, until I read it. Pre-suppositions come from lack of truth and Jesus identified the source of truth as God's word, not mankinds suppositions. John 17:17 That's good enough for me. Ro 1:20 What are the invisible things of him? Isn't it the spirit realm, the Holy Spirit, Heaven, hell, mankinds spirit (which is the image of God John 4:24, since God is a Spirit), thoughts of the innermost being of man. Actually I think we are of the same understanding on that issue. I don't know any Greeks or gnostic's :) don't know what they think so it couldn't be a hang-over. I Cor 2:13 is the heart of the New Testament teaching starting from John 1:33, John 14:26, 17, Acts 2:4, 33, 39, and many others as the purpose of the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit himself. Of course he teaches truth, so that is God's word, but he also give the revelation and understanding of this truth. I John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him (God the Father) abides in you, and you need NOT that ANY MAN teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie and even as it (or he) has taught you, you shall abide in him. Who do you say is the anointing? Where does the anointing come from? Who is the source of the anointing? Is it a someone, or just a something in your opinion? We know the natural anointing oil was used in the Old Testament, I realize the anointing is truth, as this verse says, but I also know Jesus is the truth, John 14:6, the Holy Spirit is the truth, John 16:13, and God's word, both living, written and spoken is truth. John 17:17. The truth is what we're after, so what is it, who is it, where is it, and who has it in your opinion? II Cor 10:12 seems to me to be a warning to all people who think they have all the answers of both the Spiritual and natural things as the examples from the previous scriptures (I Cor 10:1-12) that the Holy Spirit through Paul was explaining, for all mankind to read and take heed. verse 11 Now all these things happened to them for examples; and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. In reading what those folks did, they thought they had it all together and God said no they didn't. You do agree that man is both spiritual and physical (or natural)? Isn't it a fact that none of us know it all? II Cor 10:12 What that says to me from a personal level and in my walk with God is don't compare yourself with others. The way I view it is God gives each person their own things to accomplish for him. They are different and according to what he has given us, whether talents or whatever, specifically. If we look at someone else in the body of Christ and think they are doing more or less than we are, in either case, we would not be wise. As Paul continued he did not stretch himself beyond "our measure"...we each have what God wants us to do. Don't try to do the other persons job.. I realize some of these issues are considered by some as side issues to the original subject. I don't feel anything is a side issue and that all issues of life are connected in some way as a whole. See next note |