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NASB | 2 John 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 John 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers [heretics, posing as Christians] have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge and confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh (bodily form). This [person, the kind who does this] is the deceiver and the antichrist [that is, the antagonist of Christ]. |
Subject: Does Islam fit here? |
Bible Note: All of these men (including the heretic Servetus) were excommunicated. Tyndale and Huss were martyred by the same authorities. Attempts were made on Luther's life and very nearly succeeded. (If you actually read the records on Servetus incident, he was sentenced to death by the city council of Geneva in spite of Calvin's pleadings to them to show mercy. Calvin wasn't even on the city council -- which was composed of men who frequently disagreed with him.) You are right about Wycliff. He had the discourtesy of dying too quickly, but the Council of Constance ordered his body disinterred, burned, and the remains thrown into a river, all done by the cover of night. Lets drop Calvin and Servetus out of the mix, I never mentioned them. (Really, Ed! Use of the ad hominem fallacy???) All of the rest of these men were excommunicated because of their connection with what was called "Wycliffism." Wycliffism was condemned by the pope in a bull issued on December 20, 1409. (This, by the way, also made "free preaching" an act of heresy against Rome.) I wish I could lay my hands on the actual text of these early bulls, but they don't seem to be extant these days. The Council of Trent, about 150 years later, put it this way "...no one, relying on his own skill, shall,--in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, --wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,--whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures." Furthermore, "But if any one shall teach, or entertain sentiments, contrary to these decrees; let him be anathema." Okay, I'll let you improve all the numbers by three orders of magnitude. I'll even grant that I was inexact and swept too broad of a brush in ruing the death of martyred believers. Besides, as you pointed out, you wouldn't change your opinion regardless. However, you need to think about the multiple meanings of your phrase " not the rewrites done by people with an axe to grind." Meanwhile, I'm with you in at least this one point, and I paraphrase, "Lets get the facts right." Let me see if I can accommodate your sensibilities with the following politically corrected statement. Remember, I was complaining about modern evangelicalism, of which I am a part. "Ecumenism that teaches the worship of unity even at the cost of truth. That would put us under the authority of persons who will decide what we ought to believe, although they killed and tortured an unspecified number of people who taught, or felt, otherwise. (Note: Martyred figures vary depending upon source, but it is certain that these unspecified persons are repentant due to relatively recent apologies which were delivered to two other world religions.)" In future posts, I promise to take greater care with my wording. Now, shall we let God be the judge of the dead? As Emmaus put it, "On with the Bible study." |