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NASB | 1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Peter 2:24 He personally carried our sins in His body on the cross [willingly offering Himself on it, as on an altar of sacrifice], so that we might die to sin [becoming immune from the penalty and power of sin] and live for righteousness; for by His wounds you [who believe] have been healed. |
Subject: How can God let us go through pain? |
Bible Note: Wow...so much error, so little Scripture! Where to begin? Let's start with the small stuff and then get to the biggest, baddest heresy of all at the end. You started off pretty good: "The suffering doctrine has these basic suppositions: Since suffering happens and since God runs and controls everything--then suffering is either authored by God or allowed by God." Almost perfect. Just don't forget to mention in your thesis that God has purpose in our suffering. You wrote: 'If God authors or allows suffering it must be: . as the punishment (loving correction, discipline of His children, Punishment or discipline, which are not the same thing. I have this book called the Bible which talks all about it. Like David in Psalm 32. And in Hebrews: "You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN and not sons.' --Hebrews 12:4-8 ". so that He can have opportunities to demostrate His faithfulness to us in hard times" Yes, like with Moses in Exodus 6. He tells the Egyptians just what God tells him to say, and that is when the Egyptians makes the life of the Israelites really difficult. And look how God responds: 'Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, "O Lord, why have You brought harm to this people? Why did You ever send me? Ever since I came to Pharaoh to speak in Your name, he has done harm to this people, and You have not delivered Your people at all." Then the LORD said to Moses, "NOW you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for under compulsion he will let them go, and under compulsion he will drive them out of his land."' --Exodus 5:22-6:1 And most people know just what SUFFERING he then brought upon Egypt! God demonstrates his power in our weakness (2 Cortinthians 12:9) ". so we in turn can demonstrate our trust in Him is spite of adverse circumstances" Yes, I already quoted 2 Corinthians 12:7-10. It was one of those Bible passages you chose to completely ignore. " or . to test our free will and make a way for us to grow spiritually." Too many passages to quote here, but if you still own a Bible, you can open it up to Romans 5 and 2 Peter 1 and James 1 to see how God foreordains trials for our sanctification. But that's just that old Bible again! You have the true revelation in yourself, right? If your "anti-suffering doctrine" is correct, you are going to have to deal with these Scripture passages, or it is indeed you who are the illegitimate child, following the doctrines of demons. More later. This one is going to take a while! --Joe! |