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NASB | Colossians 3:21 Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Colossians 3:21 Fathers, do not provoke or irritate or exasperate your children [with demands that are trivial or unreasonable or humiliating or abusive; nor by favoritism or indifference; treat them tenderly with lovingkindness], so they will not lose heart and become discouraged or unmotivated [with their spirits broken]. |
Subject: Exasperate - examples? |
Bible Note: stjohn, op's sorry, I didn't look at the date, only the post, Exasperate - examples? getsmart The answers given, sounded like they were trying to figure out wether or not, the assigning of rules for there kids, would in some way frustrate them, and that someday the kids would know they had acted foolishly. These are their answers given, in order 1) dmspen "Clearly we cannot, as parents, not set limits or rules. I believe the context here is that we shouldn't set rules that we, as our children's role models, don't follow" 2) cjjeep "sometimes in spite of everything you've done, your children can continue in rebellion nevertheless" "they'll come back and admit to you that they had acted foolishly in their youth" 3) biblesawyer "When my kids do something wrong like they fight sometimes, and don't listen about picking up there mess of toys,.I make them aware of the consequences to there choices" The word Provoke, gives a meaning, that it seemed was missing, in the answers given to getsmart. If you had a Tiger in a cage, and you poked him repeatedly with a stick, do you think, you would get a reaction? Would you be expecting to see, the Tiger roll on it's back and puuur, like a kitten? Provoke in this instance means to Premeditate the outcome of your actions, towards your child, to bring about ANGER. Discouraged, because you are in authority over them, and you are abusing that power, (frustrated) would work in this place as well. Because the child is not aloud to retaliate. From the following definitions, I didn't see where the answers applied, to the verse in questin. As I saw it. Makes me think, of the line in the Lords Prayer, where WE as the CHILD pray, "Lead us not into Temptation" Isn't that what the Forum is for? To clarify scripture, to come to the full understanding of a verse, to me the (KJV) gave a different approach, that's all. Just a question for clarification, this isn't a (NASB, Amplified) Forum only is it? The Free Dictionary Google provoke Verb [-voking, -voked] 1. to deliberately act in a way intended to anger someone: 2. to incite or stimulate: 3. to cause a person to react in a particular, often angry, way: 4. to bring about: [Latin provocare to call forth] pro·voke (pr-vk) tr.v. pro·voked, pro·vok·ing, pro·vokes 1. To incite to anger or resentment. 2. To stir to action or feeling. 3. To give rise to; evoke: 4. To bring about deliberately; induce: Synonyms: provoke, incite, excite, stimulate, arouse, rouse, stir1 These verbs mean to move a person to action or feeling or to summon something into being by so moving a person. Provoke often merely states the consequences produced: The reason I made the distinction between the different translations was, I always read the verse posted at the top of the question asked, in the KJV also I'm sorry, but to me the word exasperate, doesn't carry the same weight that provoke does, to me it sounds like it is something that happens to make the situation worse than it was, where provoke, caused the situation in the first place ex·as·per·ate (g-zsp-rt) tr.v. ex·as·per·at·ed, ex·as·per·at·ing, ex·as·per·ates 1. To make very angry or impatient; annoy greatly. 2. To increase the gravity or intensity of: synonyms aggravate, exacerbate anger - infuriate, incense worsen Hoping this will answer your question, tried to make it short as I could. It all comes down to a different interpretation of the verse. Yes the word provoke was in the Amplified, but with all of the other words there also, it still didn't sound as clear as it does to me in the (KJV). Sorry, but thats my opinion. Colossians 3:21 (NASB) 21) Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart. AMPLIFIED 21) Fathers, do not provoke or irritate or fret your children [do not be hard on them or harass them], lest they become discouraged and sullen and morose and feel inferior and frustrated. [Do not break their spirit.] (KJV) 21) Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. In Him Imm |