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NASB | Ephesians 4:14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 4:14 So that we are no longer children [spiritually immature], tossed back and forth [like ships on a stormy sea] and carried about by every wind of [shifting] doctrine, by the cunning and trickery of [unscrupulous] men, by the deceitful scheming of people ready to do anything [for personal profit]. |
Subject: tongues |
Bible Note: Javelin, My friend, first of all, you accuse me of being “anti-tongue”. If you would take a little time to look into my posts on this forum, you would see that in fact, I am not. Ref. Post number (148377). The fact of the matter is, I still debate the gift of tongues with myself. I believe they still exist, but are used in this day and age in an improper manner and that if truth be told, many who claim this experience, are falsely testifying. That being said, I would like to address just a few things in your post because quite frankly, some of it is”hogwash”… You stated: “Kennyittis, again if true, recounted his personal experience. Who the hey are you to say, as so many others here, that it is "not from God" since tongues is long passed" ??!!” I never said that at all. I don’t believe I even addressed Kennyittis and his post. My debate was with elektos and the sources he used to support his position on tongues. We addressed that, he and I, and have come to the conclusion to peacefully disagree. I also asked Brenda to use scriptural evidence for her claim. But I don’t think I addressed Kennyittis. You then stated: “"How can you know? Where you there? Do you know what the words he uttered mean?" no, so what - your questions apply to you as well.” I was not there. Again, I never told Kennyittis that his vision was Godly or not. But how can you honestly give him the reassurance that it was? You can’t and therefore should not have. What if the source of his vision was not from God? Should he continue down the road you suggested? Statements like that can be very detrimental to someone when you offer them and haven’t the full facts of the case. You need to check yourself in the pattern of offering irresponsible and rash advise. The devil will fool even the elect if he could. Since you don’t know the basis of Kennyittis’ vision, you cannot possibly affirm that it was from God. You then state: “I simply believe the witness and make the correlation with clear scripture.” That is all the BradK asked you for. Frankly, until you can offer some biblical support, what you post is your opinion and rather dismissible because we all know what worldly wisdom and opinions can offer. Back up what you state with Scripture. It is quite simple really. You then offered this: “"Thus, how do you perceive to know it was from God?" - mere analysis of his description of the event. How do you or anyone else for that matter, perceive to know it was not from God? How does anyone know anything about what any witness says?” Go back to Kennyittis’ post. He never confirmed the vision was from God. What he said was this: “i believe i had a vision”. So he wasn’t sure if it was even a vision. But according to you, it was and it was from God. Very dangerous assumption my friend, unless, God has spoken to you as well and informed you of such. I’ll leave this discussion as I have left others that will not be productive. Christ be with you, and maybe we can discuss other issues in a more peaceful manner. WOS P.S. Just a word of caution, there are many on this forum and simply all around who do use Scripture to support their views that tongues have ceased. They offer very well rounded, scriptural evidence. If you intend to debate that, I would suggest you yourself do the same. |