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NASB | Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace [God's remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; |
Subject: is water-baptism needed for salvation? |
Bible Note: Beja What I am saying is you have a doctrine you believe clsx2 has his doctrine. Both seem to be mutually exclusive. Through this "divisive search for truth" concerning the subject now under discussion what would be the truth which you are seeking? My point being if you could be brought to the point of accepting the doctrine of clsx2 what else within your doctrinal belief structure would also have to change? Would you not concur that once a person has used wood, hay, stubble, in their building that there would be a grater likelihood that they would continue to use those building materials? The wood, hay, stubble being representative of false doctrine and thereby leading them to deception. There have been two definitive answers to the question "YES" "NO" they are diametrically opposed. I say answer the question as best it can be answered by each side then allow God through the Holy Spirit to impress upon the heart of the one asking the question which answer to accept. In the debating of these issues neither side ever changes their doctrinal belief is this because the search for truth isn't as high on the agenda as the defense of one's doctrine because both sides are coming to the table with the truth as they believe it to be so neither side in the debate is looking for truth per se they both already possess the truth it then again becomes a defense of doctrine. Godinus |