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NASB | Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace [God's remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; |
Subject: ehesians2vs8 |
Bible Note: You state: “I don't find your definition in scripture as you state it. Do you have scripture to come to that conclusion or is that just something you have heard someone else say?” I believe I have already addressed that. You state: “Heb 11:1 What is the substance? What is the evidence? Define the who, what, when, where, how and why of faith by God's written word.” What evidence my friend? That’s what faith is. We can’t see the evidence. You miss the whole concept of “1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” I don’t have to further define it. I accept God’s definition of faith. Why do you not? You ask: Who is Love? Who is light? Check it out in I John 4:8, I John 1:5 . Would you now say love is just an attribute, quality or an element? Would you now say light is just an attribute, quality or an element? Did the Apostle John just make this up?” You are getting off track. Let’s stick to faith and grace and equating them to the Godhead for right now. You confuse yourself attempting to bring a bunch of other elements into the conversation that truly need to be addressed elsewhere. You ask: Is this God's word ? Who and what are you going to believe. What you have known before by your religious training, or what the written word of God says?” Of course I believe God’s word, but I only accept as He dictated, not adulterated and used out of context. You state: “No one can diminish God or his office, that's impossible. Nothing any human being can say or do will ever change God.” I agree, but men attempt to do it everyday. You do it with what you have posted in this thread when you haphazardly throw God’s word into a ball of confusion and attempt to state what isn’t there to begin with. You stated: “Nothing has been added to God's word, it still reads the same way it always has. Any explanations of understanding is in paranthesis, not adding to or deleting from God's word including your own understandings. Were they added to God's word?” I added nothing to God’s word. You on the other hand have. Let me recap for you: “He doesn't just have faith, he is faith” “God is grace, Jesus is Faith which produces peace” “God's word is God's faith” Did you not state these things? Have you shown me in God’s word where he stated these things? You ask: “What is the strong meat spoken of in Heb 5:13-14? Is that just an attribute of something or a metaphore, or a proverb, something laid down beside something else to bring fuller understanding to a person?” Brother, one of the things this passage is enlightening us with is our ability to discern between the correct and incorrect use of Scripture. I’m sorry, but you are using it incorrectly. You stated: “Since wisdom (i.e. the wise) were mentioned, this gift has not passed away.” I really don’t understand the relevance of this. I never stated the gifts have ceased, only that they will and Paul attested to that. You claim: “I was not equating the gifts of the Spirit, to God the Father, nor was I focusing on the attributes of the Father and the Son. They provide everything..if I understand correctly...” Do I need to recap again? You quoted: “Acts 17:31 Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead...” And then stated: “Sounds like Jesus is that (man) which is perfect that is to come. I Cor 13:10” I don’t disagree. But as the passage clearly points out, there will be a time before our Lord returns where only Faith, Hope and Love will exist. The text is clear. God’s word is clear. You state: “Jesus is the gift sent of God for mankinds benefit in every area of life. John 3:16” And the point of that reference in this discussion is what? That has never been questioned. You claimed also in post #157105 that I twisted the word of God when you stated: “How can you twist the scripture to say it is a person other than God who said that?” You have yet to point out exactly what it was I twisted. If I did, the proper thing to do is to retract and offer an apology. I hope you will extend that opportunity to me. You fail to move me brother with what you have claimed. As I claimed before, now I do reinforce, I’ll end this unfruitful debate. In peace and may God truly reveal His word to you. WOS |