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NASB | Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace [God's remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; |
Subject: ehesians2vs8 |
Bible Note: Wos How do you get I Cor 12:9 is temporal, where is that written? I did not say Christ was a spiritual gift, you seem to be reaching for an argument. Do you believe Spiritual gifts are still in the earth today, or has God changed? Where is it written that spiritual gifts won't last forever? I'd like your scriptural basis. Thank God Christ is eternal, and yes, that's one fact we both agree upon. The Genesis account proves that God said, ie spoke words, and created all matter that we see, feel and understand, on this earth. To say that he did not is to argue with God himself, it is his account of who did the creating, and how he did it, through revealing it to Moses, and Moses being the pen (a metaphore) that wrote it down for God's glory and mankinds benefit. I am not confused,and I do understand my Lord Jesus Christ, and it seems you purposly do not want to understand what was said, to produce either an argument, put down, or just refusal to take into account the scripture given for evidence. I worship Christ, and whether you understand that is of no consequence to me and my relationship to him. No I don't worship faith, I walk in faith, as I am admonished to do. There seems to be a hang up with words for you being able to discern the best that God has in his word. Sorry you are very confused and like to argue rather than come to know God from more than a tunnel vision perspective, God still loves you, and is well able to enlighten the eyes of your understanding with wisdom and revelation. You don't need anyone else in that area. I have followed II Tim 2:25-26 to the best of my ability, the rest is up to God with both of us, isn't it. I love you in Christ Jesus. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |