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NASB | Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace [God's remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; |
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Bible Note: Hi WOS, why do you reject God's clearly stated definition of grace in Eph 1:6 as his acceptance of believers in the beloved? You do agree he is talking about Christ Jesus, the beloved, don't you? I don't find your definition in scripture as you state it. Do you have scripture to come to that conclusion or is that just something you have heard someone else say? Heb 11:1 What is the substance? What is the evidence? Define the who, what, when, where, how and why of faith by God's written word. Who is Love? Who is light? Check it out in I John 4:8, I John 1:5 . Would you now say love is just an attribute, quality or an element? Would you now say light is just an attribute, quality or an element? Did the Apostle John just make this up? Is this God's word ? Who and what are you going to believe. What you have known before by your religious training, or what the written word of God says? No one can diminish God or his office, that's impossible. Nothing any human being can say or do will ever change God. II Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. (says to me whether you believe or not, he stays the same, regardless, praise God that is so!) Nothing has been added to God's word, it still reads the same way it always has. Any explanations of understanding is in paranthesis, not adding to or deleting from God's word including your own understandings. Were they added to God's word? What is the strong meat spoken of in Heb 5:13-14? Is that just an attribute of something or a metaphore, or a proverb, something laid down beside something else to bring fuller understanding to a person? The word Proverb H 4912 as used in Proverbs 1:6-7 means:superiority in mental action; prop. a pithy maxim, usually of a metaphorical nature; hence a simile (as an adage, poem, discourse): byword, like,parable. To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. The fear of the Lord is the beginning (margin says: the principal part) of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Psm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, there is no God. Since wisdom (i.e. the wise) were mentioned, this gift has not passed away. I was not equating the gifts of the Spirit, to God the Father, nor was I focusing on the attributes of the Father and the Son. They provide everything..if I understand correctly... In him we live, and move and have our being Acts 17:28 Acts 17:31 Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead... Sounds like Jesus is that (man) which is perfect that is to come. I Cor 13:10 Jesus is the gift sent of God for mankinds benefit in every area of life. John 3:16 In these areas of mankinds existence. Spirit, soul, body, being a doer of the word, family, finance, fellowship, service, resisting the devil, destroying his kingdom, thoughts, words, and deeds. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |