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NASB | Romans 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 7:24 Wretched and miserable man that I am! Who will [rescue me and] set me free from this body of death [this corrupt, mortal existence]? |
Subject: Who is the Wretched Man? |
Bible Note: Brother Tim, In regards to you speaking for me, well, I guess I don't mind so much brother as long as it's accurate :-) But in this case it's not an accurate assessment so I must correct what you said. It appears all my ramblings are not properly conveying my thoughts. The contradiction is that we are to believe for example the lost person joyfully concurs with the law of God in the inner man (v22). The Scriptures say the lost person is dead in his trespasses and sins indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind , and by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1, 3). This dear brother does not reflect one who joyfully concurs with the law of God in the inner man. We are not talking about a simple matter of the mind, but the nature of the man. Where I disagree with your position is where you say there "is a direct 1 to 1 correlation". Look at verse 14 again. Paul does not say that he is NOW sold into sin. He says "I am OF flesh, sold into bondage to sin". The flesh is sold into bondage to sin. This is a statement of fact and it applies to all of us. Those who are lost or nothing but sinful flesh. Only in Him do we have freedom. The freedom as I pointed out and understand it is we are justified in Him, no longer condemned. The freedom is not that the flesh is no longer sinful. This is clear from Romans 6:6-7, 6:12-13a, and Romans 8:5-8. It is only once Christ is in us the spirit lives (Romans 8:10). I have a question for you my brother. In verse 24 Paul says "Wretched man that I am!..." Tell me, considering what Scripture teaches us about the lost as I have pointed out in previous post in this thread and again above regarding Ephesians 2:1 and 2:3, where do we find the lost person considering themselves wretched? Granted, they are indeed wretched, but given Scripture, how are we to understand that one described as they are has such a view of themselves as so? That is how I understand it. It is much much more than a matter of the mind as you attributed to my position. Your brother in Christ, Steve |