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NASB | Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:18 ¶ For [God does not overlook sin and] the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who in their wickedness suppress and stifle the truth, |
Subject: Lionstrong - God's love, plan-unbiblical |
Bible Note: Thank you Joe and may God bless you. I read all of it. It raised some questions and some thoughts, but all and all I think we think along the same lines. This might be long so please bear with me. Eph 1:4,5 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blamless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to to kind intention of His will" NASB. Is that US individually our US as a group as in the church? 2 Thes 2:13 "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethern beloved of the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through the santification by the Spirit and faith in the truth." NASB This brings me to some of my questions. The beginning of our creation here in the world as we know it or THE beginning? Rev 13:8 seems to make it clear that it was from THE begining. To my thimking that would mean on e of three things. A. God looked in to the future (as we understand future) and made the decision who's name to write down. B. God loved the elect while they were as yet still nothingness, before they existed. C. We existed from the foundation of the world. "In the beginning was the Word and the elect, the Word and the elect were with God, and the Word became man as the elect had to (though the Word did not have to)." I guess we would have just hung out with God until it was our time to be born. This is my theory, let me know what you think. We know that there are, what I'll call the unelect, who are destined to be destroyed for God's purposes; Pharaoh, Judas, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, ect.. Then there are the elect, of which I think there might be two types. Some that were foreknew and their names were written in the book of life; Moses, Abraham, Jacob, John (the baptist), Wesly, Knox, Calvin, Graham, ect.. These gaints of the faith and earth changers had their names written in the book fram the foundation of the world. This is why Zacharias was told to name his son John (Luke 1:13), because that name was all ready written in the book. Then there are the rest of us. When we accept His free gift of salvation our names are written in the book. (Another theroy might be that everyone is written in the book and then some taken out. Ex32:32,33; Ps 69:28). This would help explain Luke 15:7 "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over nintey-nine rightous persons who need no repentence." NASB. If just being elect and having your name written in the book were a done deal for salvation, why all the rejoicing? As I write this I'm thinking maybe we are all written in the book, our repentence keep our name from being blotted out and that is why all the rejoicing takes place. For Paul belied all Israel were of the elect and that all would be saved, Rom 11:25-32. This might also put 1 Cor 10;32,33 in context. If you find major holes in this theroy, Please point them out. You said: 'He obviously died for only a select few. In Romans 9, Paul calls them "the elect." If God HAD died for everybody, then everybody would be saved. Do you really think that people whom God has decided to save can resist His will? Do you put mere man on the same level as God?' My reply; As to the second question; NO of course not. |