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NASB | John 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 6:65 And He was saying, "This is the reason why I have told you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him [that is, unless he is enabled to do so] by the Father." |
Bible Question:
Hello all, I'm new to the forum and I've been reading a lot concerning Calvinism and Aminianism. Since there has been a lot of discussion on these men, I have recently looked into it in an attempt to educate myself on their works. As far as TULIP goes, I don’t agree with all of that nor do I agree with all of what the Arminianist says regarding it. This is just my view from reading off of different websites that explained each view. I have no less than 3 commentaries (Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole and a couple others) that I read and when studying a certain subject or book, I add a few more books to get a wide variety of views on the subject that I can compare with my own. I do not agree 100 percent with what any one particular person says. In explaining things of the Bible to people I will sometimes quote what another has written only because he explains it a little better. I'm just trying to get a handle on this whole debate. I just think that time would be best spent in studying the Bible, and the life of Jesus, how he wants us to live, things of that nature, and not constantly debating the works of Calvin and Arminian. My question is this and not meant to offend anyone but is it not dangerous to put so much emphasis on any Man’s doctrines, to follow them so faithfully and blindly, to just quote what these people have to say and call it gospel? Again, this is not meant as an attack on anyone individual, just my observation as a newcomer to the Forum Thanks for your time, Peace and Joy in Jesus bgg |
Bible Answer: Greetings childoftheking! Excellent points to ponder as we share with you! Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism in each of their "fullest degrees" can claim to be the "exclusive" teaching of Scripture. Some of the main contrasts between these two 'extremes' is the way that Salvation is understood and approached, and there are certain fundamental, irreconciliable differences between the two. That fact, in and of itself, is proof that neither one in their 'fullest degree' can claim to be the "exclusive" teaching of Scripture. I, myself, am Arminian, but I believe in eternal security. I lean more towards efficacious grace rather than that of prevenient grace. But I fully uphold and believe in the sovereignty of God, that He foreknew those who would freely choose Him. And I also believe that Jesus provided the redemption for all humankind at the cross, instead of just for the elect, even though Christ's atonement becomes effective only for those who come to believe in Him. So as you can see, my view is mainly Arminian, even though I do believe in efficacious grace and eternal security. Thank you for providing such a sober and non accusatory look at this topic! And yes, we should strive for discipleship rather than continue to dwell on the imperfections of both Calvinism or Arminianism. Blessings to you, Makarios |