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Subject: O.T. Israel salvation? |
Bible Note: charis, You said that I am saying "We are absolutely saved, BUT if we act like we are unsaved then we were never really saved!" and that this "is a cop-out" I am not saying that at all. A person can be saved and commit sin. As Paul says, when we sin grace abounds. His point is that our sin after salvation proves the great grace that it is. And then of course he adds that we should strive not to sin. If sinners were never saved, no one was ever saved! I am not saying that if someone continues in sin they never were saved. What I am saying is that some that said all the right words and went forward "just in case" or because "I've got nothing to lose (none of my friends are here..)" did not get saved. Their heart was not right and only in total humility and repentance can one be saved. Only God can make this judgement. None of us can ever know this about another person; Only them and God. To say that God can alter His judgement is to say He was wrong at first. This can not possibly be the case. All I can say about someone continuing in sin after being saved is that yes it can happen, but it generally would only happen with tears and repentance after each time. This does not mean they wouldn't continue, but I guarantee God will correct His children, and they will be in torment over it. (This of course ignores mental illness or brain damage, etc). So Once saved, it is permanent and no one can alter it. God did it and He is not ever wrong. Once saved, the Spirit convicts you and continues to witness Christ to you. So sin occurs with considerable anguish and torment. The result is a broken heart in repentance asking forgiveness and a clean heart, to remove the cursed sin. Only God knows whether a person is saved or not. If sin continues without such torment, it is likely that the saving never ocurred because the heart was never broken. The Spirit living in the believer will not allow sin without anguish. And finally, many good people with less sin than some saved, are also not saved because they have not utterly smashed their heart to give to Christ, after all, "they are a good person". |