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NASB | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
Subject: predestined? |
Bible Note: Hey, Tim: "The word 'foreknew' in Rom. 8:29 only occurs twice in the New Testament. Here in Rom. 8:29 and in Rom. 11:2. In Rom. 11:2, it clearly refers to Israel." But, of course, use of the same verb does not mean its direct object is the same... :) "Thus, I believe that Rom. 8:29 is a reference to God's plan for Israel, not for each individual. In other words, Israel has been predestined, but not each individual." Then do you hold that Romans 8:28 does not have Gentiles in view, either? If not, why not? Romans 8 apparently has all of God's people in view. There would need to be a more compelling reason why Romans 8:29-30 would apply only to Israel, while Romans 8:1-28,31-39 applies to all believers. "This view fits the context of Rom. 9-11 as well, since the subject of these chapters is the relationship between Israel and Gentiles as it relates to the Gospel." But Romans 8:29 doesn't fall within those chapters, and it seems plain (to me) that the discussion of Israel and their relationship to election doesn't begin until Romans 9:1. And that whole argument is in answer to the question, "What about Israel?" In other words, if all of the preceding things in Romans 1-8 about justification coming only through faith in Christ, what are we to conclude about the "chosen people" of God, most of whom were rejecting the Messiah? Paul sums it up very concisely when he asserts that "It is not as if the word of God has failed" (i.e. God did not lie and exclude Israel from the New Covenant). If Romans 8:29-30 is about Israel alone, then why would Paul need to then spend three chapters addressing the issue of apostate Israel? Cheers! --Joe! |