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NASB | John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 13:34 "I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, so you too are to love one another. |
Subject: Please Expound |
Bible Note: Hey EdB. I'm really sorry that you feel the need to guard your words. I am genuinely sympathetic that you have come to such a pass that my sincere questions make you feel like I'm playing a game with you. I'm truly trying to understand your point of view for the sake of my own edification, and while I can glean and assume your position in your guarded statements, that's really as much as I can do without straightforward answers. When you say, "I'm saying love without action is nothing more than a word," in response to, "Are you saying that love is NOT an action?" I am understanding that as, "Love is not an action. Love and action are two separate things." Is this a correct assessment of what you are answering? When you say, "I'm saying if we love and allow it to dicate our actions then the law will be fulfilled," in response to, "Are you saying that love is not enough to fulfill the law?" I am understanding that as, "Love does not fulfill the law. Our actions fulfill the law. Love is an emotion that dictates our actions, but not an action in and of itself." Is this a correct assessment of your answer? In regard to question 5, I have a new question. Do the attributes joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control fall within the bounds of behavior indicative of love? In other words: If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you be joyful and inspire joy in others? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you be patient with others that otherwise vex you? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you be kind to both friends and strangers that are in need? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you do those things that are good or righteous? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you be faithful, both to God and to others, in the things you've promised or know that you ought to do because it is the right thing? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you be gentle in your doings and behavior towards others? If you are "acting" with love in your heart, will you exercise self-control or temperence in moments of anger, distress, or temptations that would otherwise inspire you to behave in a way contrary to God's expectations? IF the answer to these is "yes," then they aren't actually additional attributes external of love, but are attributes of love itself. Do you agree with this assessment? I hope you will be good enough to answer them so that we may be of one mind. I know it is tedious, but specifics help us come to conclusions, and again ... I wish to fully understand your position. Finally, we are all agreed, even Stultis I'm sure, that faith and belief in Christ is absolutely necessary. I don't think it is necessary to continue bringing that up except as reference. We aren't even Christians if we don't believe in Christ and have faith in him. From here on, it should be moot, because that is not an issue. So any further talk by other parties along the lines of, "Love is enough," should be viewed not in a humanistic, heathen perspective, but as one within the bounds of faithful Christianity, and an attempt to understand how best we ought to please God. Is this agreeable to you? Now, I would be curious to understand what "holiness" means to you. I myself have read various passages, and that particular word seems to imply a specific thing to me. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it. Xerxes |